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February 6th, 2008 @ 8:45 am ET…
Bigger and better
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Our sales figures for 2007 are out. By the numbers:
- we posted $7.1 billion in sales—12 percent more than we made in 2006;
- 39 out of our 55 Amway markets—emerging and established alike—posted sales increases, with impressive results in Asia, Europe and Latin America; and
- it was another billion-dollar year for Quixtar in North America.*
Our direct selling license in China certainly bolstered sales, while our largest overall regional gains came from Europe. And in Latin America, we saw a remarkable 30 percent sales increase as a result of our transformation efforts.
Also of interest: a growing list of celebrities and athletes continues to endorse our products. In non-direct selling news, our wireless charging technology called eCoupled was granted 20 new patents in 2007 alone. And, we opened the ultra-luxurious JW Marriott Grand Rapids, one of only 36 in the world.
One final number: 50. Yes, Amway turns 50 in 2009. The next 50 promise to be just as big, and better than ever.
* Quixtar will share sales specifics in the coming days.
Filed by: Corporate Communications
Posted in: Access Business Group, Alticor, Amway, Artistry, Fulton Innovation, Grand Rapids, Hotels, Innovation, JW Marriott Grand Rapids, Nutrilite, Product Lines, Quixtar, Sponsorships, Transformation, eCoupled
February 6th, 2008 at 11:12 am
This is great news.
If we had paid attention to the TEAM pontifications, you would think the Quixtar volume would have been some small fraction of $1 Billion last year.
Now we ALL know how much TEAM should be believed for accurate information.
February 6th, 2008 at 11:50 am
Congratulations Alticor! You and everyone connected to the business should be proud of all that has been achieved. I agree that this is just the beginning. It WILL get better and better. Tex makes a good point in #1. If TEAM was so big, and they all left in August, that’s a 1/3 of the year, but total revenue for Quixtar is only down slightly? How could that be unless TEAM was only slightly important to Quixtar? I wonder what other misinformation they have been spreading.
February 6th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
A couple of things to consider: First, I am not associated with TEAM. Instead, I have been overly exposed to the lies and deception of WWDB. Second, if you read the release - note that China is the best market and China is the one place where “the plan” is forbidden. Sales there are through retail stores. Quixtar on the other hand went backwards, earning less in 2007 than in 2006. And it is Quixtar that is proclaimed to be the “BEST opportunity in the world, a 2-5 year plan to financial freedom, a $100 billion dollar company within 5 years” etc. blah, blah, blah. For the IBOs in America, Alticor has continued to let them be lied to and deceived by the likes of WWDB and continues to do so. The question for the Quixtar IBO is not how much sales or profit did Alticor make in 2007. The question is, “How much did you?” The fact is that Quixtar is absolutely not growing.
February 6th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Interesting, even Enron fudged their numbers, time will what truth is…
February 6th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
sak,
“Even” Enron? Your comparison is VERY shaky.
One is private, the other a public company.
One has been around for almost 5 decades, the other for only a few years (at least with the “new and improved” business practices they were using).
One exists and is growing, the other one is a mere shell of what they were.
Even Enron, indeed.
February 6th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Tex #1, first of all, most team people didn’t resign until after Quixtar announced their plans to change the name to Amway (mid to late September). Plus, I think most people just chose to not renew in January, so the majority of team people didn’t quit until then. So Quixtar only missed the team people for about two months, maybe. Team was the only organization actually growing in North America. Not only will Quixtar suffer huge losses in 2008 because of the people that quit, but they will also suffer huge losses for the new people that won’t get recruited because of team’s departure. Quixtar needs constant new blood, and it just ain’t happening. Did you read the recent Achieve magazine. I heard Quixtar only broke 4 silvers last month. 2008 will be a disaster. Second, how many years of “another billion” will it take for Amway to wake up and lower prices. They’ve been at “another billion” for 20+ years. If you factor in inflation, the company has been declining for over 20 years. Tex, instead of attacking the team, why not hold your beloved company accountable for crappy results and zero growth.
February 6th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
YL,
We won’t know any real results for Quixtar until next year, as they don’t release by quarter. If Q/A blowing off Team doesn’t affect 4th quarter results, they should release 4th quarter stats for Quixtar. We know UK is down. We can guess India was down, but don’t know. There still isn’t enough information in the earnings release to know long tern trends, other than Quixtar is at least flat or going down. Alticor is doing well in some countries, or the overall wouldn’t have gone up. They are down in 16 “markets”, I only can guess 3 of 16.
Between now and the end of June of this year, Q/A will need to provide more reasons for IBOs not to let their 6 months expire. After 6 months of non-renewal, Q/A might as well figure they are gone.
I am just guessing, but most from Team didn’t leave in August or September. Many leaders left when Q/A send the letter saying to cut ties with Team or face suspension or termination. Many more just didn’t renew and some of those are still buying products.
February 6th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
I am sorry…is that not $7.1 Billion on suggested retail sales prices, not actual dollars made. In other words exactly what were your sales based on what someone actually paid for your products—not suggested retail prices.
Former IBO
February 6th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
#8 Former IBO, we report actual sales, not estimated retail.
February 6th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
Lisa #6,
I’ve got news for you. The corp announced the name change several months prior to September, it’s just that your “beloved” upline didn’t inform you of this fact. So much for them caring about you and keeping you informed.
I think a lot of TEAM people quit buying products shortly after August 9th, but I have no specific information to back that up. However, to say TEAM is “missed” is stretching things quite a bit.
Can you prove TEAM was the only growing group? It’s called hubris, look it up.
I have no doubt TEAM did a lot of damage, I just got off the phone talking to a Diamond who said his group in my area was devestated by the TEAM disaster, and he is in a completely different LOS. There probably will be some short term losses, but sometime the rotten wood has to be cut away (along with some good wood) to keep the dead wood from spreading. Such is tree trimming, such is life, such is business.
I’m not “attacking” TEAM, I am telling the truth about them. Besides, TEAM is thankfully gone, and the only “attacking” left is TEAM being “attacked” in arbitration.
I have commented on product prices many times, but this issue pales in comparison to the tool scam.
February 6th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
Utah #7,
By the time next year rolls around, there will have been much more of the transformation process in place, and TEAM will be a distant memory. Just GO, TEAM, will become Just GONE, TEAM.
I think Quixtar already considers those IBO’s who didn’t renew gone as of January 1, 2008, and has NOTHING to prove to any of these FORMER IBO’s.
February 6th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Former IBO #8,
A/Q hasn’t used suggested retail for reporting volume for years.
Tell us again why you’re a FORMER IBO?
February 6th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
#6 Lisa: I agree with you. $1,000,000,000 isn’t enough. If you look at the transformation strategy, it’s designed to move that number up, up, up. We don’t need The Team, TOD or TEAM (which is it, the name keeps changing?) for that. We’ve got a plan. Also, hate to tell you, but I’m looking at the Feb Achieve and I’m counting 110+ new Silvers. Not sure where you are getting your numbers. Oh, maybe it’s the same person whose been feeding you all that other junk. Enjoy that diet while you can. That fad is going to burn off and you’ll be left with a very, very empty feeling in your gut. Good luck. I’m sticking with the company that has nearly 50 years of proven success.
February 6th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Oh goody, sales are up. Whew, what a relief. Oh wait, it’s mostly in China, former Soviet-bloc countries and Latin America. (Isn’t there a blog called QSSR-something out there that addresses this very issue?)
If your company is so great, why do you have to resort to such low-life tactics to keep competitors out of the market?
Believe me, if I were an IBO and doing well, no one could convince me to leave. So just what are you afraid of?
February 6th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
Tex#1
Of all the bloggers, I always thought you were the best at reading between the lines. But even you the, “Great Pontificator & Purveyer Of Truth, Justice For The American Way” missed the boat on this one. I am sure that you, being as rational that you are, clicked on the link “Our sales figures for 2007 are out”. I will repeat it here for your convienence. “Quixtar’s sales fell slightly in 2007, but remained above the billion-dollar mark for the fifth straight year.” I could see how you might miss a one sentence paragraph, as it is buried in the middle of page three of five, after telling you and everyone else how wonderful “Alticor” not “Quixtar,” sales are doing in the rest of the world. I am waiting to hear, as I am sure you are, to see how the “Quixtar” sales are doing here in North America, and elsewhere by IBO’s, that are truly trying to build a business.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Quixtar is reporting stats by the end of the week. It will good to get the facts, not just some hype from Tex. That said, I remember when Q/A stopped using estimated retail in their numbers some time ago. I also wondered how Lisa thinks she knows so much about other groups.
I am hoping any current IBOs do well. No one likes crabs in a bucket. I am also hoping Q/A wakes up and realizes the mistakes they made in 2007. No sign of that yet.
Tex, this isn’t true:
“and the only “attacking” left is TEAM being “attacked” in arbitration.”
There are at least two lawsuits out there that Q/A started. One against Team in Nevada, and the blogger sites. Since they have arbitration agreements, IMHO, Q/A should drop both of these lawsuits.
February 6th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
So if you had such a great year why don’t you pay all the formner IBO’s the bonus’s that you refuse to pay ………. Maybe greed and attitude got in your way ……….
And yes TEX ……. Team will blow your socks off in the near future. It’s amazing how much growth there is when you treat people like people. Why don’t you come to St. Louis, I’ll treat, maybe we can change that sour outlook you have on life ….
February 6th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
YL #13,
Thanks for the silver numbers being 110+ instead of what Lisa incorrectly reported, 4. What other lies are you hearing, Lisa?
Marnie #14,
Many of the areas that are up have clamped down on the tool scam. I can’t wait for the tool scam to be closed down in the U.S., there is a LOT of pent up demand.
The low-life tactics were done by Orrin and company. They could have slithered off into a gutter for 6 months and started a “new and improved” tool scam, but they had to start a lawsuit that broke yet another rule on their way out.
Believe me, JUST GO, TEAM!
February 6th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
glenn
They really didn’t have that great of a year, even internationally, when you take all countries into account and the currency exchange rate. I missed that comment the 1st time I read the announcement, but the corporation did mention the exchange rate helped the numbers. A quick 12 month look at that, and an even volume would have gone up 15% compared to the Euro. Since Altcor volume went up 12%, that isn’t very impressive overall.
That being said, Quixtar should have paid the earned QBI bonuses, even if they claim a loophole. I know of many that lost at least $10k, that earned it. Not good PR.
February 6th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Steve #15,
Why wait?
They already indicated how Quixtar sales did. 2006 sales were slightly over $1B, they said 2007 is down slightly, but still over $1B. I thought it was so obvious it didn’t deserve my “Great Pontificator & Purveyer Of Truth, Justice For The American Way” analysis.
Sorry to “disappoint”.
February 6th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
Utah #16,
See response to Steve, above. I don’t “wonder how Lisa thinks she knows so much about other groups”, because she has demonstrated she doesn’t know much at all.
The only mistakes A/Q made in 2007 was not getting rid of TEAM sooner.
You’re right, I forgot about the lawsuits. There are good reasons for those lawsuits, as the entities they are going after are not known IBO’s, so Quixtar can’t use arbitration with them. However, these entities (at least the Nevada one, it appears the first judge didn’t see enough direct evidence for the other, but there’s always the appeals process), when the discovery process has run its course, will probably reveal the improper actions of Orrin and Co., who are (former, thank God) IBO’s. IMNSHO, Quixtar should continue those lawsuits until they find the information they are looking for.
So, try to get your facts straight, okay? It also may help if you engage your brain and think a little prior to typing.
February 6th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
glenn #17,
Sure, I’ll come. I always wondered what lambs being led to slaughter looks like.
I’ll let you know how much the hotel, airfare, and meals will cost.
The cost will be chump change for tool scam artists like Orrin and Friends.
Do you think Orrin will autograph his new book for me, “Launching a Tool Scam Revolution” (subtitled, “Different Plan, Same Scam)?
February 6th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
LOL
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Don’t wait for the specific sales figures - bet they never come!!
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February 7th, 2008 at 12:23 am
Oh come now, glenn -
If gross sales in NA go down, but then refuse to pay bonuses on “assumptions” of wrong (in many cases, that’s all they still have - and average IBOs can financially die in arbitration to prove em wrong - which does NOT prove em right, just bigger bullies …)
Q: Net results?
A: Your profitability goes up! Congrats Ada wonks!
The only reason they haven’t reported Quixtar sales is — the spin doctors ain’t done with ‘em yet.
(Oh and Tex — the fact that they ever reported inflated sales figures ought to give a clue - they invented how to “cook their books” before Enron was even a gleam in Ken Lay’s eyes.)
February 7th, 2008 at 12:28 am
Utah #16 -
When they want to file a lawsuit, they’ve never let the fact that they’ve hamstrung their “Opportunity Partners” from equal footing stop em from pouring it on in the past.
It’s gotta make Rich proud to see how 2nd gen has made a complete mockery of “Compassionate Capitalism”
February 7th, 2008 at 2:46 am
G,
There are a lot of good people at Q/A. I just don’t think the ones running Alticor are thinking.
That doesn’t mean I want existing IBOs to do poorly.
Quixtar will announce numbers this week, according to them.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:39 am
Utah # 7,
India is not down - Here’s the link.
India will be a 3000 crore rupee business by 2012 - with or without legal challenges!
Marnie # 14,
There are people every where looking for an opportunity - not just in the US - even in the countries you were mocking about!
People are people everywhere - so plz don’t divide us on where we live!
A few years from now these countries will be bigger economical powers and Amway has got it right in terms of establishing themselves here!
I believe that the reason for growth has got to do more with market viability than currency exchange rates!
Thank you
February 7th, 2008 at 8:11 am
Tex,
Glad to hear that you will be there. I would bet that Orrin would sign your book. If you actually bought a book and knew how to read then your opinion of the teachings would be much different.
I’m not sure how you can say that knowledge is a “tool scam” — nobody forces anyone to read, listen or learn, they do it because they want something more out of their life. Why don’t you sign up for 6 months apply yourself and see if your opinion changes. If not then I will be happy to send you your money back for “the great tool scam”. Here’s the catch - you have to read and listen to everything. Then we will discuss every book, cd, and function. I doubt your heart is so cold and your mind so closed that we couldn’t change the way you see the world. It’s not as cold lonely and negative as you seem to make it.
Just so this might get posted ——– yes I agree with the exchange rate being a factor in the jump in #’s. the dollar is down and fuzzy math is at work. Still doesn’t explain why they stole all the bonus money. Bad bizzness — yes I know I spelled that wrong tex - it’s just me having a little fun ………
February 7th, 2008 at 8:15 am
Tex # 20
You are absolutly right, why wait? Based on the fact that new IBO’s are signing up daily for a fee to join, and there hasen’t been an increase in sales in five years (around a billion). As a matter of fact they slightly fell in 2007. Tex I wonder like you have, how much of that slightly over a billion dollars in sales is actually sales compared to sign-ups? Do you think they might tell us in their up comming post?
February 7th, 2008 at 11:10 am
That’s interesting. No mention of what sales were like in the US. I wonder how sales in North America were in 2007 compared to 2006?
February 7th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
Oh good grief folks, this is a private company. They can say their sales are 402 gazillion and there is no way to prove otherwise. And Tex, what can I say. Sales are up where they have shut the tool scams down? Man, you are smokin’ some goooood stuff.
February 7th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Utah #19,
Did you compare the exchange rate in countries where more of the overall volume came from?
The optional bonuses weren’t paid because the people were suing Quixtar and siding with TEAM. They didn’t earn the right to be paid the optional bonuses, because they were actively damaging the reputation of Quixtar.
February 7th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Lee #23,
Why would you say that? They have come every year for almost half a century.
G #24/6,
Quixtar isn’t reporting profit, they are reporting sales, which have NOTHING to do with the optional bonuses.
Which books have they been cooking?
See my earlier response regarding the need for the lawsuits.
February 7th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Just wanted to point out a few things about the Quixtar sales and Teams departure. Quixtar’s fiscal year runs from Sept. 1 to Aug. 31, it was aug. 9th that things really changed for Team. So how much volume did Quixtar really miss by Team leaving? You could say one month, but Team was very focused on ditto dilivery on the first, so actually most of the volume coming from Team would have been in by the 9th. Plus many people on Team had year end PV goals, I doubt Quixtar missed very much volume at all in fiscal ‘07 from Team leaving.
The impact on Quixtar volume from Team leaving won’t be revealed until the 2008 numbers.
February 7th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
re: #8 Corporate Communications
Since you are reporting Alticor total sales, then I stand corrected. But let me be more specific if I may. You used to report Amway/Quixtar sales based on suggested retail prices..NOT..the actual prices of what the items sold for. So lets go this way shall we.
Give us the break down of what monies (sales) were of all companies run under Alticor: eg:
Amway:
Quixtar:
Access Business Group:
Alticor Corporate Enterprises:
Gurwitch Products & Laura Mercier:
Fulton Innovation:
eCoupled:
Interleukin Genetics & Gensona:
E. Funkhouser:
Pyxis Innovations:
etc.
My research shows that in @ 2002 there was an article stating that you had @ 180 active subsidiaries in @ 80 countries and territories. Is that still true today?
Source: http://www.data-care.com/clients/Alticor.pdf.
I look forward to your response.
Former IBO
February 7th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Chaitanya, I am glad for you that India went up 9% according to the news you posted.
Tex, you said: “They didn’t earn the right to be paid the optional bonuses, because they were actively damaging the reputation of Quixtar.”
That, as you should be aware is a total lie. One, the bonuses were not billed as “optional”. Two, Platinums and Diamonds that didn’t say one word against Q/A, nor were involved in any suit, were denied QBI bonuses, - even the IBOs that didn’t resign when they got the corporation letter that said Team or Quixtar, choose now.
The denied bonuses didn’t go upline either. And you thought the UK was bad. This move, legal or not has hurt Quixtar.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Eric, I thought that Q/A went to Dec. 31, 2007 for the numbers. I know they used to be Aug. 31, but I thought that changed a few years back.
February 7th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
Hey check out this blog, it’s about TEX…
http://barristerquixtarlawsuit.blogspot.com/
February 7th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
glenn #28,
I said I would be there IF you prepaid ALL of my expenses. I’ve already read a couple of Orrin’s books, I’m not impressed.
The “knowledge” is a tool scam because Orrin and the other upline make MUCH more from tools and are not honest about this fact. When I went off standing order tools a couple of years ago, it went from day to night. I was “best buddies”, then found I was TOTALLY ignored. There is nothing “optional” about this setup. I saw the TEAM method, it is more dishonest than ANY others I have seen. I still read and listen to recordings, just with the thought of the tool scam in mind.
I already stated why the optional bonus money wasn’t paid out.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
Steve #29,
I don’t think any of the numbers reported include the signup fees, those are administrative in nature, not product/service related Quixtar retail numbers.
marc #30,
They said what Quixtar volume is. Down slightly from 2006, still above $1B.
Marnie #31,
Yes, sales are up in China, Russia, India. No tool scams in those locations.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Eric #34,
I think Quixtar changed their fiscal year to the calendar year, but the qualifications run from September to August still.
February 8th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Tex # 33
NO Follow Through
February 9th, 2008 at 3:25 am
Tex,
I’m going to ask about that. I’ll post the e-mails if your like?
February 9th, 2008 at 10:14 am
Utah #36,
Are you talking about the PV/BV or QBI bonuses. My understanding is they were paid PV/BV bonuses, but not the OPTIONAL QBI bonuses. Stop lying, Utah.
scooters #38,
Thanks for the free advertising. I responded to those 10 baseless claims on my blog, posted January 31, 2008 11:41 PM and repeated below for your viewing pleasure:
Reason #1,
Then YOU explain why TEAM didn’t just leave quietly and wait 6 months.
Reason #2,
TEAM does suck, I’ve seen them in action.
Reason #3,
TEAM could sue me for business disparagement. That’s hilarious. Read your Dr. Kevorkian story again. I’m not nervous at all about my comments. Ever hear of the First Amendment?
Reason #4,
I’ve commented many times on the fact that Amway benefited big time from the arrangement.
Reason #5,
I’ve also commented on Amway’s lack of retail sales (3.4%) on many occasions. You’re not paying attention.
Reason #6,
I’ve also complained the fact that Amway doesn’t enforce its retail sales rule. The tool scam started way before the product price issue, and is STILL the much larger of the two problems.
Reason 7,
Tex insults those who insult me first. Unlike you, who called me an idiot first, you idiot.
Reason #8,
You ignore the fact that Woodward and Brady were breaking rules over and over for 6 years, and stated they weren’t interested in following the rules. THAT was the point that caused them to be terminated, the Quixtar folks had to leave the room to put together the termination letter. They didn’t try to negotiate an amicable separation BEFORE Quixtar terminated them, they tried to break the rules on their way out, as they were so used to breaking the rules anyway. I didn’t ignore the fact that Quixtar terminated Woodward and Brady AFTER Quixtar reviewed Woodward’s proposal. As stated above, Quixtar only gave the appearance of considering the proposal, they left the room and started writing the termination letter based on Woodward and Brady not wanting to follow the rules. There’s nothing unfair about the contract. Some of the TEAM “leaders” were even on the IBOAI when the rules were approved, and used the rules against other IBO’s. You can try to negotiate anything you want, but when you’re in a weak negotiating position, it’s quite stupid. It doesn’t really matter if they resigned or were terminated. However, I think Orrin and Chris were terminated, and the other TEAM “leaders” resigned.
Reason #9,
I think Quixtar now WANTS to see the February function happen, just keep your eyes open for protesters and picketers.
Reason #10,
If you saw some of the communications I’ve had with Quixtar, you wouldn’t characterize my position as one of “fervent support”.
February 9th, 2008 at 10:15 am
Lee #42,
This makes no sense, please explain/expand your comment.
February 9th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
I sit here after resigning from Quixtar and completely happy that I did and have to stand up and laugh. It just makes me grin to read this. I am in the USA not other parts of the world where ALLLL of your growth came from. Quixtar fell in Sales from 06 to 07…period! Quixtar will fall in sales from 07 to 08…Period. WHY….because MANY….MANY….MANY people that understand HOW to build this ARE gone and will go. AlticorAmwayQuixtar DO NOT KNOW HOW TO BUILD this. They do what they do best and they are doing it. Where did they go….they are more committed now to TEAM and other organizations that KNOW HOW to build the business than EVER before. TEX or anyone else that still believes in QUIXTAR North America…..write me after SEPT 1-08 and tell me the great success that Quixtar had. I mean specifically the percentage decrease it had from 07-08. The growth of TEAM has not happened….the growth of TEAM has not started. What you will see is TEAM growing EVERY YEAR and Quixtar decreasing or staying the same EVERY year UNLESS it changes to what people that know what they are talking about have suggested…..oh yeah…they wont. They will just continue to change what people that know what they are talking about have said not to do and continue to decrease. I Love the comment an IBO made that has been in the business for 10-15 years and has NEVER gone beyond Q-12….The Name change back to Amway…we made alot of money with that name…it should be a good move. Thats like taking a XBox 360 and trying to play PONG on it…..Laugh…I found myself laughing again…. yes they made alot of money with PONG. BUT th people of today dont want PONG. Ask yourselves DEVOS and VANANDEL…. if you were making $60K-$100K a year and took into account ALLL the expenses related to building a Quixtar Business and looking at it from a NEW persons point of view….would you really get involved and believe you could be FREE one day.
February 10th, 2008 at 12:13 am
Chan #46,
I can’t wait for TEAM to get started with their new tool scam and you’re too busy to post here. Just GO, TEAM.
February 10th, 2008 at 2:41 am
Tex #44
Reason #6
If IBO’s made alot more money with products because the product supplier (Quixtar) shared much more revenue with the IBO, so the income comparison was somewhat equal between the two, is the tool part still a scam? Is the product a scam now also? Is Walmart a scam because the Walton family became billionaires on products without tools?
Reason #8
Remember, Orrin and Chris resigned.Period. And NO, we had no members on the board regarding the rule change on the no compete. That was snuck in. I never even knew about it until August of 07, but that was my fault for trusting a supposedly honorable company. Learned from that mistake.
Reason #9
Man, would that be fun to see!! That would be similiar to communist Cuba or China Picketting the White House against freedom!! “Bring It On”
February 11th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
A few things -
Lisa, amwaywiki lists 38 new Quixtar Diamonds and above in 2006. Of those I think 7 were from TEAM. To state that TEAM is the only group growing is absurd.
Eric et al., Quixtar changed to calendar year reporting in 2006. They provided 2005 data for both CY and old FY for comparison purposes. All the Quixtar sales data is available on AmwayWiki.
Marc, you claim there was no mention of how North America was doing, yet the press release clearly states NA sales were slightly down but still over a billion.
February 12th, 2008 at 4:07 am
ThunderDUNCE #48,
Does this mean you agree with the other 8 responses?
#6 - Most IBO’s don’t make ANY money from the tool scam, so what is your point? There is no product scam. Walmart is not a scam. They DO use tools (various systems), but they don’t implement them using IBO’s.
#8 - Orrin and Chris voice a desire and intent to resign, but thought Quixtar went away to think about and consider their blackmail demands. If they had already resigned, there would have been no reason for a termination letter. I’m quite sure Don Wilson and Randy Haugen were on the IBOAI Board during the non-compete rule being implemented. How does Quixtar “sneak it in”, when it is in clear black and white? Don’t you read the rules when you renew? Or your Achieve magazine when it announces new rules? Give me a break.
#9 - How can I picket if what’s his name doesn’t answer my questions about the various costs?
February 12th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
I’m willing to believe that Quixtar has not “doctored” the books. Am I to understand that the Quixtar fiscal year ends on 8/30? Would this then mean that the Team fiasco started only a couple of weeks prior to that?
I would like to see sales figures from Sept 07 to now compared to previous year. That’s the math I want to see. And fiscal 08 North American sales. Not that I’m going to sit here checking everyday for the answer but if I was a betting man, there will be significant changes.
Team fiasco starts around mid August. 06/07 fiscal ends 8/30. Wonder what the totals will be for 07/08 ending 8/30. hehe.
I still wish that this could have turned around. I love the website and enjoy the conveniences of online ordering. But how to overcome the disparaging words coming directly from Corp reps about people I love and respect.
Darn.
Peace,
Brad
February 13th, 2008 at 12:46 am
Alticor also is mulling a strategy that would include storefronts where people could sample products and connect with distributors. The company already has such stores in China, where they were mandated by the Chinese government.
“We’re always looking at different ideas and what we can do to try to become more innovative,” Van Andel said.
February 14th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Brad #51,
I think you are overestimating the impact of TEAM. I doubt you’ll ever see the 4th quarter 07 numbers. They normally haven’t done that in the past, why would they start doing it now?
Utah #52,
Storefronts are already used by other MLM’s in the U.S. I’m not concerned we will have to change to be like Communist China.
February 14th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
I think quixtar underestimated the amount of volume the team brought. If you look at their quantcast which shows daily sales, Their sales in Jan were half as much in Jul, and have been on a steady decline since Aug.
http://www.quantcast.com/traffic-compare.jsp?domain0=quixtar.com
February 16th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
doublehooks #54,
That shows traffic, not sales. However, traffic is an indication of sales.
I’ve talked with a Diamond who is not on TEAM or in the Michigan area (although he had people in another highly populated area where TEAM was present), and he said the TEAM fiasco hurt his group and they no longer have enough people to hold Opens or Seminars.
February 16th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Look at www.geocities.com/AmbassadorsoftheLight
for the truth about the contrast of the rich & poor & all within 2 miles of the new J.W. Mariott (or Alticor) & Dick Devos’ new hotel. However none will help fund referall services for the homeless in Grand rapids
February 16th, 2008 at 10:06 pm
Ok everyone. Let’s get the quantcast thing straight for once. It is not a measurement of Quixtar sales, it is measures the WEBSITE TRAFFIC. They have lost half their web audience.
February 17th, 2008 at 10:53 am
doublehooks #54
Wow! This says it all!! Thanks for this post. The numbers don’t lie and I am really interested to see what the trend is over the next six months to a year, especially as Q morphs back into Amway. Ibet this is a trend we see for quite some time. Wonder how Tex is going to spin this.
February 18th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
My question is this:
If Q/A is not worried about TEAM effecting their annual sales volume, than why not let them go? Why keep them in the courts so long afer the non compete time period is expired?
February 18th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
John #56,
What’s your point? There are similar situations in nearly ALL downtown city areas. Are you suggesting they shouldn’t have built the new hotel and instead fed the poor, many of whom are drug addicts, mentally challenged, lazy, etc?
ThunderDUNCE #58,
I didn’t spin it, as usual. See #55 above.
February 18th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Anon #57
Are you actually stating that there is no correlation between web traffic and sales? Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
February 19th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Why wasn’t my comment posted. I want to know why Q/A keeps fighting Woodward in court? If he is not a threat to Q numbers than let him go.
February 20th, 2008 at 1:52 am
doublehooks,
That graph you posted does not quantify sales. It quantifies traffic to the website.
Based on the latest the end of the year figures, it would appear TEAM wasn’t a huge volume producing group. As large as they may have been, in the end it comes down to volume.
February 21st, 2008 at 11:54 pm
Josh #59,
That’s easy. Quixtar wants to:
1. Make an example out of TEAM not to break the rules, and
2. Recover as much as they can for the damage done by TEAM, which goes far beyond just TEAM and the other groups plugged into their tool scam. I prefer as much money as possible should be recovered, a very public apology, and promise not to talk bad about Quixtar for the rest of their natural lives.
February 22nd, 2008 at 1:50 am
Just to let everyone know there are two Josh’s commenting here. The pro Team Josh is not me.
February 25th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Josh #65,
I suggest you use a different name.
March 7th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Hey Tex..
Dont you have a life? I was here on the blog about 5 months ago and you were still ranting then? Dont you have anything else to do?
I would guess that the reason that you dont is becasue your on a payroll with the company that your defending so furiously?
What have you accomplished outside the walls of your cubicle, without your corporate coffee mug and your pocket protector?
March 10th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
ME! #67,
Yes, I have a life. I have NOTHING better to do than answer your questions, you should know that.
Your guess is wrong. Want to try again? Your first guess was entertaining.
April 1st, 2008 at 1:44 am
Bottom line, if the corporation doesn’t get its North American prices down to be competitive, the company will be in a world of hurt. Especially in today’s economy. Those who want to build a business will be more likely to buy inflated prices fo the long term gain, but most IBO’s and customers will price shop, like they do with buying gas. to most people, they would rather pay less than get quality. That’s what their pocketbook says.
April 1st, 2008 at 1:46 am
an addition to the #69 post. If you have a good size LOA, look at the goose eggs. Those people are the one’s that have, over time, decided they would pay those prices when they can go elsewhere to get similar products.