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October 24th, 2007 @ 8:45 pm ET…
Why we fight, part 1
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After being on the defensive for 20 straight legal attacks, we filed suit yesterday against the corporation that owns TEAM.
We filed suit because the single legal case we brought (and won) in this matter listed Orrin Woodward as a defendant—but Woodward then claimed to have magically disappeared as the manager of TEAM before the case was heard. (A legal trick like that is like pretending Rich and Jay have nothing to do with our company—but never mind. We’ll straighten it out.)
We filed suit because TEAM has had multiple chances to play by the rules in this dispute, but have gambled that they do not have to play by them. They have interfered with non-compete agreements. They have interfered with non-solicitation agreements. They refuse to arbitrate.
But most of all, we are filing suit because TEAM has taken proprietary business information from Quixtar that IBOs could be using right now to build Quixtar businesses.
If you leave your place of work today, you would leave behind your tools and information so that those who remain can carry on the business. You can’t help yourself to your computer, the stapler, the coffeemaker—or the company’s customer list.
That is ethically and morally wrong. It is also legally wrong. And that’s why we filed suit.
Filed by: Corporate Communications
Posted in: Alticor, Amway, Quixtar, Transformation
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October 24th, 2007 at 9:14 pm
Somebody help me here,
I become an “Independent Business Owner”. I go out and recruit a downline. I teach my downline that I went out and recruited. My downline (who are also “Independent Business Owners”) recruit more. So now I, as an “Independent Business Owner” who owns my own business that is comprised of my downline that I have recruited and trained - I decide to move in a different direction. But I can’t because Amway”Quixtar has propriety secrets that I might share. This is a joke in my opinion. IBOs beware. You are not an “Independent Business Owner”. You are am Amway distributor. And if you don’t do exactly what you are told, you will be terminated. I know I am a bit blunt, but this is the truth as I see it. I am no fan of Team, WWDB or the rest - but I believe Amway/Quixtar is just a twin of the tools companies. Both are interested in keeping the truth from IBOs (like the high failure rate). The arbitration that TEAMm didn’t want to participate in was found to be “unfair and unconscionable” in court. Who would want to participate in an unfair arbitration? Bottom line: IBOs you are not Independent Business Owners - you are Amway/Quixtar distributers. You better do what you are told or you will be gone!
October 24th, 2007 at 9:16 pm
unbelievable!!!! The attorneys for Q/A need to get a life. That is what is wrong with this country!!! TOO MANY ATTORNEYS with nothing else to do but work for big Corporations. What a waste of Q/A money that could be going back out to IBO’s and into positive PR instead of all this negative crap that they have put out. They are the ones that are forcing IBO’s to leave, not Team. I was on the fence in August, but all the garbage that Q/A has put out help me make my decision. I was even going to buy products from my downline that was going to stay with Q, but I don’t even want to give them any of my money anymore. What happen to the Corporation I got involved with 17 years ago?
October 24th, 2007 at 9:24 pm
DIRECT QUOTE FROM THE NEWEST LAWSUIT
(b) Quixtar has not disparaged the business of TEAM (Count 2);
You’re kidding right ? No really …you ARE kidding us !!
Cause if you’re not kidding, you are stating an outright falsehood .
October 24th, 2007 at 9:42 pm
dannie #3:
As long as we’re counting, did you notice that Corp says they were planning to serve notice of “violations” of RoC at the August 9th meeting?
I’d say that constitutes admission that they had not done so earlier, in direct contradiction of their earlier statements …
BRILLIANT ladies and gents.
The beauty of telling the truth is, you never have to remember the previously told untruth.
btw, great press release rom MI Dem Party - you guys really know how to dig a PR hole.
October 24th, 2007 at 9:45 pm
Gotta say dannie, that line made me choke a little on my protein bar too …
Well, I guess technically the ahh, somewhat disparaging remarks, were on the Alticor blog, not Quixtar sites.
October 24th, 2007 at 9:45 pm
Line 13 -of the lawsuit - Axxording to Quixtar, “IBO and distributoe” are synonomous. Remember, IBOs. According to Quixtar, you the Independent Business Owner” are a distributor. In the UK, independent business owners are now called Amway Business Owners. I think very soon you too will be an Amway Business Owner (distributor).
October 24th, 2007 at 9:46 pm
G - TEAM’s own affidavits state that Orrin Woodward had been threatened with suspension twice before, so I’m not quite sure how you can claim it hadn’t happened other times.
October 24th, 2007 at 9:47 pm
“It is morally and ethically wrong.”
Please! Amquix! You know about morals and ethics?? You have hurt so many IBOs in recent months…shattered so many dreams. This is not the company I defended in countless living rooms.
October 24th, 2007 at 9:48 pm
Hey Tex…
Seems like Team Can refuse to arbitrate after all…
“They refuse to arbitrate.”
Guess all the damages that Q thought they’d recoup ( in their kangeroo court where they have NEVER lost an arbitration ) isn’t going to happen. So now the attorneys on both sides will make more $$$ and the media will get even more juicy tidbits to report to the American public.
Seems like Q is really looking out for the current IBOs, huh ? Cause we know that their suing Team is really going to keep more IBOs in the company…and make it even easier for those of you that are left to build your biz.
October 24th, 2007 at 9:50 pm
Another example: If you have a Chevy franchise, you may own the building, but you don’t “own” the business. It is GM’s business and they are LETTING you run it–providing you do it their way. If you do not abide by GM’s rules, they will terminate your dealership or franchise. Try taking home a Corvette or two and see what happens. Same in this business. If I don’t abide by the rules and A/Q/A kicks me out, I do not “own” my downline. This business differs from conventional businesses by only a couple of things–we can work from our homes, can set our own hours, we can choose who we have as customers or who we choose to work with as business associates, rather than having to take everybody who walks through the door, and we don’t have to have a million dollars of inventory. Some of you people need to get seriously educated about running a business.
October 24th, 2007 at 9:55 pm
I don’t understand this move. I thought Q wanted this thing to go to arbitration, and that the courts were referring this case back to arbitration and Q was happy about that. Now they file a lawsuit that will continue this case not being arbitrated?
October 24th, 2007 at 9:57 pm
“Unbelieveable”
Is it possible that you have gone and hired P&G’s legal team?
This is embarrassing.
October 24th, 2007 at 9:59 pm
oops sorry I missed the “they refuse to arbitrate” when I initially read the post, never mind
October 24th, 2007 at 10:05 pm
#4 G said, “Corp says they were planning to serve notice of “violations” of RoC at the August 9th meeting?
I’d say that constitutes admission that they had not done so earlier, in direct contradiction of their earlier statements”
I guess you missed the link I provided for you on a previous thread the LAST time you were in denial that Quixtar’s been trying to get TEAM to follow the rules for six YEARS.
Here it is, AGAIN:
http://www.freetheibo.com/images/Compendium_of_Exhibits.pdf
(pages 25-31)
October 24th, 2007 at 10:08 pm
One factual statement in the suit:
“Quixtar has not made binding promises to TEAM through its conduct.”
Heck, it really ain’t even still Quixtar … more like the “Amway opportunity” formerly known as Quixtar (note to Ada: gotta get that guy that made Prince’s moniker on retainer)
As near as I can tell, the ONLY promise Corp is willing to stand by to any IBO (scuse me, distributor)these days is the threat of litigation/arbitration.
It appears to be their only remaining area of expertise - and it is wielded with little concern towards recipients.
Jason #11 -
I think they’ve decided they ain’t gonna be able to hide this one under the arbitration “bushel basket”
October 24th, 2007 at 10:09 pm
#9 dannie said, “Seems like Q is really looking out for the current IBOs, huh ? Cause we know that their suing Team is really going to keep more IBOs in the company…and make it even easier for those of you that are left to build your biz.”
I believe you are being sarcastic, yes? If so, then are you saying that Quixtar should have allowed themselves to be blackmailed instead?
October 24th, 2007 at 10:14 pm
And just so you know, MY family and friends are NOT proprietary business information…they are MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS !!
You think I left because anyone TOLD me what to do ? You don’t know me at all. They don’t make cholerics much more hard headed than this one. NO ONE has made, encouraged, pushed, suggested, called up, emailed, smoke signalled or in any other way influenced my decision to leave Q.
I only had to watch how people I respected were treated and talked about to know what I was going to do….reading the first “Just Go Team” blog pretty well sealed it for me.
How can any one bad mouth a leadership that has people who believe in it, and then expect that many, many of us in those LOS would NOT leave. It’s like calling my baby ugly…he may be, but he’s mine and even if I call him that, YOU better not.
Team IS a family. Families stick together. Don’t you people understand that ? Did you really think you could insult, call Orrin names, disparage ( that’s right, you did what you accuse us of doing ) his character and we would still WANT to be a part of you ?
We ( the average IBO ) did not ask for, nor want this fight. We wanted lower prices so our downlines wouldn’t laugh at us when we asked why they didn’t continue to order each month.
Orrin attempted to get that. He didn’t. He’s gone and so are we.
Get over it, crybabies.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:18 pm
G #15,
I think your right, so if they don’t get the desired results, will they file suit against the corporations that own Signature Management Team LLC? And then what would come after that?
October 24th, 2007 at 10:18 pm
#10 Jeffrey,
Your analogy might make sense…in fact, it does..seeing as a Corvette would be property of GM and Q considers us all property.
But consider that as a Chevy franchise owner, I’ve had to PAY for that inventory when I got it in my showroom, so I’ll doggone well take it home if I leave…or if they kick me out .
October 24th, 2007 at 10:25 pm
Thanks, Bridgett -
That ought to be worth your bonus (and I don’t mean Performance)
Probably thought you were talking to Greg.
It’s pretty amazing that in that very document, folks watched a video provided by Corp and then were not able to recite answers to questions contained therein …
And for that, the corp “determines” they don’t know their sponsor???
Maybe they were dealing with ADHD folks?
Perhaps they court an ADA (that’s Americans with Disabilities Act, not Amway Distributor Assoc) suit on top of all this?
October 24th, 2007 at 10:29 pm
The problem is in the Quixtar/Amway terms that say they own everyone you bring into the business. I think that is the unethical thing. Comparing taking customer lists with keeping people you recruited for your “Independent Business” is just plain crazy.
It looks like Alticor is changing their business opportunity into an employee arrangement compensated on straight commission. I think it’s time they take the “Independent” and “Owner” out of IBO.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:33 pm
dannie 17
well put, keep charging.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:34 pm
How can Quixtar say they have LOS propietary secrets with a straight face? You buy from your self and teach others to do the same. That is it. What is secret about that? Oh the secrets are things like the exceedingly poor retention rate; the McKinsey report, the IBOAI’s unanamous vote of no confidence in Quixtar or its proposed name change to Amway, the truth that after 5 years over 95% of recruits drop out). we wouldn’t want the young college kid to know that he can expect 95% of his recruits to quit. Even the great Puryear, Britt and Yager have such a drop out rate. But let’s not tell that secret to the young student or single mom. Let’s tell them this is the best business in the world and let’s approve kingpins showing them rolexes and mansions. And Quixtar doesn’t even recruit or build downlines - IBOs do. If the IBO is the one who builds his downline, then how is it a Quixtar downline.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:35 pm
Bridgett -
By the way, the only document produced to date with these allegations (aka uncorroborated) appears to have been drafted after the now infamous August 9th meeting. How CONVENIENT …
October 24th, 2007 at 10:35 pm
My full response is here:
http://crazyfunwildworld.blogspot.com/2007/10/quixtar-why-we-fight-part-1.html
October 24th, 2007 at 10:42 pm
Guess Jeffrey has never heard of “floor plan”, eh?
Get educated about business indeed! Sounds like a good idea, Jeffrey.
(Cute site linked to your name all the same … except we’re probably not good prospects here - sorry)
October 24th, 2007 at 10:43 pm
Da–ed if we do, da–ed if we don’t. This isn’t even funny anymore.
Interfered with non-compete agreements? How? By questioning their validity?
Interfered with non-solicitation agreements? How? No one has solicited ANYone for any business venture.
WAKE UP–THIS IS WHY PEOPLE HAVE PUT UP BLOGS CRITICIZING YOUR COMPANY!! BECAUSE YOU DESERVE CRITICISM!! YOUR ARE ACTING LIKE MOHRONS! (Misspelling deliberate, Mr. Mohr.)
October 24th, 2007 at 10:43 pm
I read the above and I am confused, maybe someone can help me. I am a Realtor and I am considered self employed and my own business owner. To sell real estate I must hang my license with a broker. I own my clients and listings even though there is a realationship with the brokerage firms. I signed up with Quixtar as an Independent Business Owner. I got my friends and family involved. Do I now have to terminate all contact with them now that I am no longer an IBO? Do they own them now?
Another question is, they say:
“If you leave your place of work today, you would leave behind your tools and information so that those who remain can carry on the business. You can’t help yourself to your computer, the stapler, the coffeemaker—or the company’s customer list.”
How can I steal something that was mine before I started with Quixtar?
What are they referencing here?
“because TEAM has taken proprietary business information from Quixtar that IBOs could be using right now to build Quixtar businesses.”
I left because I have lost respect for Quixtar given the way they are handeling this dispute and second because I will no longer have a business after the switch to Amway. Prior to my resignation I alreay had the IBO’s I signed up tell me they would not renew under the Amway name.
Last how can they say that the TEAM is coersing people to follow them and rather than Quixtar. After the first e-mail they sent me after the termination of Woodward and Bradey I knew I was out the door. I just wasn’t sure when. TEAM has helped me grow in character and confidence. I have seen the benifits of the TEAM Leadership program in my personal and professional life.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:45 pm
#17 dannie:
“How can any one bad mouth a leadership that has people who believe in it”
People believed in Hilter too. And Charles Manson.
October 24th, 2007 at 10:55 pm
Oh by the way, Mr. Mohr, the legal attacks supposedly from Team were actually filed by individuals in an effort to stop Quixtar from harassing downline IBOs, and NOT by Team. If you will go back and read the complaints (just the first page–shouldn’t be too taxing), you should be able to see that.
Now how many complaints has Quixtar filed?
And will I be next, Mr. Mohr? C’mon, bring it.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:02 pm
Why do you keep suing us if you want us to leave? Look, if I got fired from my job I would most certainly take my tools that I bought and brought into work back home with me. Because I used them at work does not make them company property!
October 24th, 2007 at 11:07 pm
#29 Girl Power
That’s the problem with this whole deal.
You guys think we are drinking “koolaid” and I, for one, am getting tired of being talked to as if I am too stupid or blind to know the difference between right and wrong !
I am intelligent,educated, articulate
(yep…I can spell ALL the big words, Tex ) , self confident and totally capable of determining for MYSELF who is making the smart moves here.
So get over yourself QUIXTAR….assume ..in fact, BELIEVE IT, that you are dealing with adults who can think for themselves and stop trying to penalize others for something that we are CHOOSING to do all by ourselves.
GIRL…It’s a business…it’s not a world war OR a flower child cult like following…and we are NOT talking about dictators or mass murders here.
Well, maybe dictators.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:13 pm
#32 dannie
Have you ever read “Personality Plus” by Florence Littauer?
October 24th, 2007 at 11:14 pm
Amazing what happens when your home town judiciary tells you you’re all wet … you venue hop?
Pot calling kettle black, doncha think?
October 24th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
#31 Jerad
They aren’t suing you.
They are suing TEAM.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
Why are lawsuits so redundant? They say the same things over and over again. Those 20 pages could have been summarized in 3 pages.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:16 pm
I hope Q/A wins this suit and wipes out all the assets of TEAM. I also think it is time to stop allowing TEAM people to post on these sites (if they are actually TEAM people). It is possible that they are all employees of the PR firm TEAM hired to smear Q/A. I am tired of giving them free reign to use this site to continue their smear tactics. Why do we have to allow them to continue? This is not their site, they have their own sites they can go to.
Enough is enough. It is time to shut them up here.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:19 pm
Girl Power #29
That actual quote of mine should have read
“How can any one bad mouth a leadership that has people who believe in it, and then expect that many, many of us in those LOS would NOT leave.”
The point was ( irrespective of WHO we believed in )that Q should not have been surprised at our response to their kicking the heck out of Orrin in print. That original posting “Just Go Team” was absolutely galling, infuriating and designed to raise all our hackles.
So keep kicking us,Q. We’ll keep taking it and keep getting back up. What doesn’t kill you makes you stronger and if you think we don’t get stronger every time you post your newest drivel, then you should have taken better notes in Louisville.
Can hardly wait for “Why We Fight…Part 2″
B-R-R-R-I-I-I-I-I-I-N-N-N-N-G IT !
October 24th, 2007 at 11:29 pm
Jerad #31 -
It’s quite simple really …
They want their performance bonuses back - all of them (besides the ones they didn’t pay due to recent unilateral actions) … and since that would be blatantly illegal, they’ll just go for them another way.
Gotta make an example of anyone who would dare leave the happy kingdom on their terms - now go placidly and eat your Soylent Green (oops, I mean Double X)
What an opportunity we have here … “your business, your way” is actually “your business - you’re dreaming, right?” (sorry Dex)
October 24th, 2007 at 11:38 pm
Bridgett#35,
Symantics. The result is the same…attemps to delay the start of our next venture.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:47 pm
#37-Dwight…..Here’s an idea, stop posting blogs telling the whole world that you are suing people and those people will stop having to defend themselves……
October 24th, 2007 at 11:52 pm
Here’s what I don’t understand……the very first blog about Team on this website stated, “JUST GO TEAM!!”……now they are trying and you’re going to sue them for it now??? Forgive me if I’m just a little more than confused…..Is it JUST GO TEAM OR IS IT COME BACK HERE SO I CAN KICK YOU SOME MORE AND THEN YOU MAY LEAVE LIKE YOU WERE TOLD TO DO?
October 24th, 2007 at 11:53 pm
Here is what is interesting: I just got done reading a 20-page lawsuit through every point. And I can tell you as FACT, that my upline sponsor, Platinum and Diamond violated many of those rules.
My Diamond spoke at an open….AFTER….he admitted on a blog he was terminated. His son spoke at a team open….AFTER….he quit. Another Platinum spoke at an open…AFTER…he quit. After asking what was going on after I saw the lawsuits, my sponsor, Platinum and Diamond PROMOTED the team, the team materials (including giving me CD’s to listen to), the Louisville conference, the website, the CD’s and books, the “hypothetically speaking” possible ways the business would roll out, and personally asking me to join the team (with the comment “the one requirement” would be I would have to “sign up for” the professional development program).
If Quixtar’s attorneys called me I could give them details, names and dates in September that these activities happened. These are the reasons I questioned the validity of the team story all along.
There are points in the lawsuit I 100% know as fact and would stick my hand on a bible and back up in a court of law.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:54 pm
Bridgett,
I agree with the redundant statement (#36) and I have certainly read Littauer’s book. It’s a great read and very helpful in understanding yourself and those you come in contact with.
It’s just that this last blog has unleashed my inner ( ok, so maybe not so inner )choleric and comatosed the 2 points phelgmatic I have.
Actually, I’m about 1/2 sanguine ( too talky tonight ) and 1/2 choleric….thought I had learned more in the last 18 months than I evidently have. I’m just getting fed up with the suits…give it a rest already.
No one is going to win here. Why keep pushing each other…and I would say that even if Team had filed another suit. It’s time to let it go.
Q cannot keep US from going. It’s clear that they don’t even want to. They are just continuing to alienate some who are on the fence.
Dwight (#37)
“Why do we have to allow them to continue? This is not their site, they have their own sites they can go to.”
Paid by the PR firm ? C’mon, I just wish I was being paid for any of this. Hire me, someone… please !
As TEX would say …We will continue to post anywhere we see fit, unless and until we are banned from a site.
October 24th, 2007 at 11:56 pm
This will get the information out of arbitration, off of just the blogs, and into the light. Let’s get ready to rumble!
October 24th, 2007 at 11:58 pm
#42rnffemt
I think the Corp was playing defense for 2 1/2 months.
Now they are moving to offense.
October 25th, 2007 at 12:07 am
dannie #17,
Amen brother! Couldn’t agree more!
October 25th, 2007 at 12:13 am
Okay, so let me get this straight. If I get hired on as a plumber at a big plumbing company (and I appreciate my work and learn how the business works as I gain experience), and then the company begins to treat me like trash (even though I’ve brought them millions of dollars of revenue over the years) and I quit and start my own plumbing company with my own way of doing things, does this mean that it is illegal? Have I broken any laws or contracts? There have been many individuals who have worked as employees at a business, learned the tools of the trade, and then have branched off to start their own business and I’ve never heard of these people getting sued. That’s just business. When you start a business, there’s always a risk of losing an employee that may eventually start a competing business. That’s why you should always treat your employees well to prevent them from wanting to leave! The ironic thing is, this is one of the selling points of promoting the Amway business…”Even if you were not an employee and you owned your own business, look at all the risks your business would have that your Amway business would not!” Ironic indeed. Now speaking of being an employee…
!!!!!ATTENTION, NEWS FLASH!!!!!!
You who are still currently IBO’s, you are NO LONGER Independent Business Owners. Although AltiQuixWay may still call you an “IBO,” it is now officially just a fancy word for “EMPLOYEE.” You have effectively lost ALL INDEPENDENCE as a business owner and are now subject to every whim of the mega corp without even a tidbit of negotiation. I’m sorry, what? The IBOAI? What is that? Never heard of it. You are entirely on your own whether you like it or now. You are now the SOLE PROPERTY of AltiQuixWay and if you don’t like how you’re treated then GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN!!!
So do y’all like the new Amway? =)
jason #11
GOOD POINT!!! can’t believe that thought didn’t immediately occur to me.
October 25th, 2007 at 12:16 am
I don’t know why you guys just don’t fess up!?! From here it looks like you just don’t care about the North American Market. With the name change back to Amway, (against IBOAI approval), and the way you have handled the TEAM situation, IBO’s don’t have to be told, asked, coerced, cajoled, recruited, or any other form you may think of for resigning. The many unsubstantiated remarks in your latest lawsuit are laughable. If I didn’t know better, I might think that you are making the Team and Orrin & Chris the perfect scapegoats for your mass exudos from North America. As you have so eloquently stated in your frivolous lawsuit, (i’ll paraphrase) “IBO’s are resigning by the thousands.” This way no class action lawsuit from all of the IBO’s who put their faith in you to build a business based on morals, and character.
October 25th, 2007 at 12:21 am
Minuteman #47
and my husband would think this was too funny…that people think I’m a man.
Smile when you call me brother…I wear skirts
Maybe my choleric side really IS coming out too much tonight. I’ve never shown it so much on a blog.
Just fed up with the foolishness of Q in continuing to tick us off. I know they don’t care, but when I think of all the work we put into this business, it trips my trigger.
I knew the prices ( on 95% of the products ) were too high. I honestly believed that the company would do something to help us in that area. I believed it because Orrin did…he kept telling us it was coming and I was willing to trust him. Now I see that he was lied to for a long time and in turn, passed on the lie to us. NOT because he knew it was a lie, but because he believed it was the truth.
I worked hard for a company who never intended to make this a viable business for the average person. I am sorry. We were told we could retail. WE COULD NOT ! Its a joke and if you retail, good on ya….
But don’t ask me to try and sell shampoo that leaves my hair so tangles I cannot get a comb thru it for 3x what the local drugstore ( who is already higher than most places )can sell a comparable product for.
And then tell me that MY business practices put me in legal and regulatory jeopardy ?
October 25th, 2007 at 12:26 am
Starting to make typos ( hair so tangles #50 )
Time to pack it in for the night.
A restful sleep to all…truly.
October 25th, 2007 at 12:34 am
I think this is wonderful. Now you TEAM people know what it is like on the receiving end of the lawsuit.
Let me guess… The Quixtar LOS documents were used to promote that big ‘ol meeting that was held in Nashville (Louisville?) last week end. They prolly have viable evidence that Q’s list was used to connect the TEAM LOS dots.
I really think this is “GO, TEAM, but don’t steal what you don’t own.”
Q already won the injunction to retrieve their stolen LOS info. Where are all you TEAM homers now that the suits are being filed on you? Get ready, the burning is about to commence. My guess is that this is the opening salvo in a major action. Stop whining and get busy with the truth, this time, not some PR smear campaign.
Yeah, the GM analogy is correct , just like owning a Mickey D’s. You sign CONTRACTS that have clauses in them like, “Behave and follow our rules, or else we will only put up with your shenanigans for so long.” Okay, TEAM homers, time to fish or cut bait….
Let the spanking begin……..
October 25th, 2007 at 12:38 am
#44 dannie
Lucky you. I score a big goose egg for Peaceful Phlegmatic.
#50 dannie
Do you mean detangler/conditioner instead of shampoo? If I only use shampoo—any brand—my hair is all tangled.
I really like the Satinique Moisturizing Detangler.
Anyway, I think the challenge/disagreement/argument that the TEAM IBOs are having with the non-TEAM IBOs is that:
* this biz isn’t for the “average” person and
* it’s not about having the lowest prices.
It never has been.
This business IS viable. Retailing IS possible. It’s just that you have to go after a different market—not the average, and not those that shop solely on price.
Orrin wanted a different biz model that what Quixtar/Amway/Alticor is.
It’s as simple as that.
All the best to you dannie.
October 25th, 2007 at 12:38 am
Dwight -
Spoken like a true Alticor believer … if can’t refute em, just shut em up! Here’s a thought - let’s say it’s an open forum and then sue em for participating … makes sense to you, doesn’t it?
I think there was a posting elsewhere here for more legal talent - you’re their kind of guy!!!
October 25th, 2007 at 12:42 am
nice try freedome no one is phishing here don’t know who u have been talking too but i know for a fact that this never happened no one told me to do anything i was just influnced to quit by someone they really didn’t come out and say they just did somethings that i knew it was time to quit oh the someone by the way was QQQQUUUUUIIIIXXXXXTAAAAAAARRRRR wake up!!
October 25th, 2007 at 12:46 am
Freedom#43,
Look, unless your Diamond sits on the policy council your testamony means jack. All of us have, at many points in our careers, had people violate contracts or policies in our downline. EVERY group has bad eggs. The point is whether the behaviour is policy. And I’ve never ever ever ever seen anything that suggests that what you are talking about is policy.
And change your name. Freedom ain’t allowed here any more.
October 25th, 2007 at 12:52 am
As a past team member, I urge all team members to go back and listen to Orrin himself speak on his CD Head, Heart and Hunger. And after you do, ask yourself one question, “does this sound like an unintelligent man who got “tricked” by Quixtar?”
If you will be totally honest with yourself, you will hear a man who truly believes he has his hands on the best business opportunity out there. Or……he is a no-integrity liar who is trying to trick people into signing up for something he doesn’t believe in so he can make more money.
October 25th, 2007 at 12:57 am
jerad smith #56
My Diamond was on the IBOAI board with Orrin. And, I never said it was policy, but based on all the blogs I’ve seen about the Louisville conference it sounds like many other IBO’s had their upline sponsor, Platinum or Diamond tell them the exact same information I posted.
Just because it’s not “policy” doesn’t mean it wasn’t planned and passed down from Diamond leaders.
Question: Why don’t I see the “policy council” on the lawsuits. If the lawsuit is not “policy” then how did they get filed?
October 25th, 2007 at 12:59 am
Ricardo de la Lioness -
Of course you think it’s wonderful - but I question if you’re actually thinking or simply reacting.
Which end of any one of these lawsuits have you been on anyway? None?? Roar on, kitty …
Lives and livelihoods are being affected and you act like it’s just another episode of “Judge Judy”
“cut bait”? … did you mean shark bait? Hey Tim, think we got a live one here …
October 25th, 2007 at 1:01 am
Amazing.
I can’t remember where I have seen such pathetic distortions. Q/A not desparage Team? All of Q/A, whether or not related to Team can say Q/A is guilty of all of the items Team has accused Q/A of . Q/A’s suit is a bigger joke than the Calif. suit was. Who told Team IBOs to leave Q/A - Q/A did..Go team Go…. This Alticor site is doing everything it can to encourage more and more IBOs to leave. No one at Team has contacted me to resign or not. I hope that the judge in NV sees this suit for what it is, a bunch of distortions.
October 25th, 2007 at 1:29 am
Has anyone seen this article?
http://www.michigandems.com/101807prs.html
October 25th, 2007 at 1:36 am
or this one??
http://www.jerryandmandy.co.uk/
October 25th, 2007 at 1:43 am
The Jerry and Mandy article demonstrates the same termination process that the U.S. Diamonds received. Abrupt and without cause. I’m staying tuned to these blogs just to see who gets burned next. It looks like they are methodically getting rid of the highest paid people to balance a budget of some sort. I think Dexter is safe and so is Jody Victor, but there is still targets on the radar!!
October 25th, 2007 at 2:02 am
This is from:
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/2875.htm
“Communist Party Domination”
“…In December 1970, disturbances and strikes in the port cities of Gdansk, Gdynia, and Szczecin, triggered by a price increase for essential consumer goods, reflected deep dissatisfaction with living and working conditions in the country….”
“…In July 1980, with the Polish foreign debt at more than $20 billion, the government made another attempt to increase meat prices. A chain reaction of strikes virtually paralyzed the Baltic coast by the end of August and, for the first time, closed most coalmines in Silesia. Poland was entering into an extended crisis that would change the course of its future development….”
When people do not learn from events in history, they repeat themselves.
When a leader lacks character, he or she is nothing short of a manipulator. Time is on the side of the leader with character, and will prove the truth.
My friends in both Amway and TEAM, lets not waste any more of our time reading the “internet bathroom walls”, but rather invest it making a positive difference in the the world.
I stand for truth and Gods unconditional Love for mankind; sure, I have shown my disappointment with the abuses of the legal system and have poked fun to make points, but in the end it is love that we all need. With real love, comes respect… you cannot truly have one without the other.
To all who read this; you are a unique creation with a perfect purpose in life. Search for that purpose and spend the rest of your life running towards it full speed!
I hope that the fighting ends, and that there is a peaceful resolution before the economic engine, that many families depend on, is completely halted!
October 25th, 2007 at 2:05 am
Bridgett 14
#4 G said, “Corp says they were planning to serve notice of “violations” of RoC at the August 9th meeting?
I’d say that constitutes admission that they had not done so earlier, in direct contradiction of their earlier statements”
I guess you missed the link I provided for you on a previous thread the LAST time you were in denial that Quixtar’s been trying to get TEAM to follow the rules for six YEARS.
Here it is, AGAIN:
http://www.freetheibo.com/images/Compendium_of_Exhibits.pdf
(pages 25-31)
. . . look at the date on those papers Bridgett.
October 25th, 2007 at 2:16 am
To Alticor,
Why are WWDB tools approved for sale but not accredited on your Quixtar accreditation site? Here you sue TEAM (which I am not a part of) over BSM sales that you think are inappropriate, but you let other LOS like WWDB, Britt, Yager et al sell tools that you refuse to give accreditation. What is the point of accreditation? It seems to be absolutely meaningless. I know first hand that when I attended WWDB FED, and open meetings - it was all about plugging into their system. They consistently taught that Quixtar develops and supplies products but WWDB has the proven system of success. Alticor, you pick on the guys you want to but you let the masses get ripped off and you refuse to deal with WWDB and the big boys I think because you are afraid of losing volume. So guess what, the young college kids and the single moms keep getting lied to and hurt. Ao Alticor, why can any LOS sell nonaccredited tools?
October 25th, 2007 at 2:21 am
WAY TO GO!!!
this is simply superb.
Finally we are going on the offensive,
enough playing Mr.Nice guy.
we already know how superbly quixtar treats us,
its time to fightback for all these people who have not done nothing and never played by the rules!!
Im going Diamond.
with you all the way aQ
October 25th, 2007 at 2:51 am
Ok, one more time….. some just don’t understand the simple stuff. Here is how it was for me…..
1) Email from “Q” shows up in my inbox.
2) I think “What the heck?”
3) I go to the “Q” website to find out what is going on and find the Alticor Media Blog. I see the post entitled “Just go, TEAM!”
4) I call “Q” to find out how to “Just go!”
5) I go!
Nothin’ too complicated about that…..
Prolly that way for lots of folks I imagine.
October 25th, 2007 at 3:26 am
What a bunch of junk!
What kind of idiotic claim that TEAM members don’t know where XS comes from? Duh, you can only order it from Quixtar, so obviously everyone knew they didn’t buy it from TEAM, especially if they were on Ditto, which is ONLY available at Quixtar. Boy, isn’t it disgusting to finally realize that Quixtar thinks their IBOs are all stupid morons?
And that prayer for relief? They want Team to not talk about Quixtar in their meetings? Um, they’re way late on that one. No one is talking about them anymore. Now that they’ve shown their true colors, there’s nothing for anyone to say about Quixtar in connection with leadership and personal development ever again.
Oh— and WAAHHH, poor, poor Quixtar. They want TEAM to stop “calling Quixtar’s pricing ‘horrible’ and stating that the ‘people cannot sell’ Quixtar product”. Well, since I’m not a party to this really lame lawsuit, I’m not going to stop saying it. The pricing IS HORRIBLE. Quixtar knows it, and if they don’t like people finding that out, well then they can just go fix it by changing their prices. Does it really take yet another lawsuit?
October 25th, 2007 at 3:35 am
Jerad #56
The more TEAM IBO’s blog, the more clear it becomes that they hide behind words, and innuendos. A diamond is a very senior, responsible person.
Now you are saying to Freedom, that he should ignore what his diamond is saying. That reveals EXACTLY the attitude that Q/A was complaining about on the Just Go Team thread.
Locally we call it ducking and diving.
October 25th, 2007 at 5:57 am
Way to go Alticor and Alticor Legal. I’m loving it!~!~!
Initially I was upset with the orginal ‘Just Go, Team’ post because it needlessly aliented a lot of people — individuals in TEAM looking for direction, and others. But as time passes, it’s clear to me that the sentiment behind it was fully justified, as it pertained to TEAM leadership.
In a sense I sincerely wish individuals posting here from TEAM well on a personal level, but I do not agree with your organization and must say that on a legal level they are corporate thieves who thought they could get away with it. And Alticor will enforce its rights and thereby strengthen the basis for my business.
Bridgett, don’t get too distracted from continuing to build your business. Love your comments because they are credible and born out of your own retailing successes, but don’t forget what your own family goals are.
October 25th, 2007 at 7:09 am
dannie #17 - They are your Family and Friends. Until YOU decided to make that relationship a business relationship through the Quixtar business opportunity. That business has rules. I read them, did you? I have been in A/Q for over 12 years, it has, to the best of my knowledge, always been this way.
Moreover, some of those “friends” would probably not be friends had you not met them in the course of building your Quixtar business. I am not sure how you can be indignant now.
The LOS belongs to A/Q, and it should. Why would they want to provide you a business that doesn’t protect the newest person. The opportunity needs to be the same for them as it is for you — otherwise it does become a pyramid.
October 25th, 2007 at 7:13 am
John #1,
You wouldn’t have a downline if Quixtar didn’t have the products and services available. Independent doesn’t mean you can do as you please, no rules. You signed a contract, part of which describes terms of leaving Quixtar. McDonald’s owners own their restaurants, but you don’t see them putting jalaepeno peppers in their Big Macs, do you? The word “independent” may go away, as it obviously gives at least some people the wrong impression. But we are not really Distributors any longer, either, as this word was more descriptive of when we picked up products from our sponsor. Having a problem with the name is a joke in my opinion. Idiots beware. You are an “Independent Business Owner”. You are not an Amway distributor. And if you don’t follow the rules, you will be given plenty of opportunity to fix your practices, but if you refuse to comply, you will be terminated. I know I am factual, but this is the truth as I see it. I am no fan of Team, WWDB or the rest - but I believe Amway/Quixtar is just slow to move on the tools companies. Both are interested in maintaining their volume from IBOs. The arbitration that TEAM didn’t want to participate in was found to be “unfair and unconscionable” in court. Who would want to participate in an unfair arbitration? Bottom line: IBOs you are Independent Business Owners - you are not Amway/Quixtar distributers. You better follow the rules, or you will be given plenty of time to correct your problems (for example, Orrin was given 6 years) and if you refuse to take corrective action, you will be gone!
bbb#2,
Unbelievable!!!! The attorneys for Q/A need to squish Orrin like a bug. That is what is right with this company!!! They actually want to protect their reputation, fancy that. TOO MANY ATTORNEYS with nothing else to do but work for big Orrinite egos. What a waste of Q/A money that could be going back out to IBO’s and into positive PR instead of all this negative crap that Orrin has put out. They are the ones that are forcing IBO’s to leave, not Quixtar. I wasn’t on the fence in August, and am so far away from it now the fence isn’t even in sight, because all the garbage that TEAM has put out help me make my decision. I even buy products from myself because I’m going to stay with Q, and I even want to give them my money to fund the legal action against TEAM. What happen to the upline I got involved with many years ago?
October 25th, 2007 at 7:22 am
dannie #3,
They are not kidding, they are identifying where Orrin and Co broke rules, and are protecting their reputation, as they should.
G #4,
As long as we’re counting, did you notice that Corp says they were planning to serve notice of “violations” of RoC at the August 9th meeting? —- You mean the rules violations they documented in the termination letter that had been going on for 6 years?
I’d say that constitutes admission that you are clueless, in direct consistency of your earlier statements …
BRILLIANT ladies and gents. —- Take a bow, A/Q.
The beauty of telling the truth is, you never have to remember the previously told untruth.
btw, great press release from MI Dem Party - Orrin and Co. really knows how to create interesting alliances. Upline always praises the Republicans, largely because they are more pro-business than the Dem’s, but now Orrin and the Dem’s are buddies, the PR guy he hired even works for the current Dem Governor. This should serve Dick DeVos well in the next election, should he choose to run again.
October 25th, 2007 at 7:30 am
Hey im sure the pope hasnt been sued yet.. and hey they also tell me that bear at the zoo he hasnt been sued yet either. lets see….
waldo did anyone sue him…. and what about the beaver.. mmmm just giving you some ideas….
October 25th, 2007 at 7:30 am
ibofb #5,
Gotta say dannie, that line made me choke a little on my protein bar too … —- Too bad it was only a little.
Well, I guess technically the ahh, somewhat disparaging remarks, were on the Alticor blog, not Quixtar sites. —- The “disparaging remarks” also came from bloggers, not the corp. Brilliant move, if I should say so myself. Corp allows both sides to tell their story, and we pummel the Orrinites. A match made in heaven (except for you, ibofb, I realize you don’t believe in that kind of thing).
John #6,
Line 13 -of the lawsuit - According to Quixtar, “IBO and distributoe” are synonomous. —- This is for definition purposes in the lawsuit, as IBO’s used to known as Distributors. Are you really thihs dense?
Remember, IBOs. According to Quixtar, you the Independent Business Owner” are a distributor. In the UK, independent business owners are now called Amway Business Owners. I think very soon you too will be an Amway Business Owner (distributor). —- I think ABO would be more appropriate for dense people like you, too bad we have to appeal to the lowest common denominator (that would be dense people, like YOU).
October 25th, 2007 at 7:34 am
ibofb #7,
Please do NOT confuse G with the facts. He really can’t handle it.
Mary Ann #8,
“It is morally and ethically wrong.”
Please! Amquix! You know about morals and ethics?? You have hurt so many IBOs in recent months…shattered so many dreams. This is not the company I defended in countless living rooms. —- Yes it is, but it’s not the company that turned a blind eye to the tool scam for the past several decades. You were defending a tool scam and may or may not have known it, but that’s reality. Orrin shattered dreams with his tool scam and “illegal pyramid” lawsuit.
October 25th, 2007 at 7:58 am
dannie #9,
Seems like Team Can refuse to arbitrate after all…“They refuse to arbitrate.” —- Looks like this issue is pretty well covered, see below. What I don’t know is what Michigan law says in regard to the first part of 11.5.35.
11.1.3. All IBOs, whether they are a Party to the dispute or not, are required to respond to inquiries and otherwise cooperate in a timely fashion with any investigation conducted by the Corporation. Failure to respond to inquiries or to otherwise cooperate in a timely fashion may result in the Corporation taking action against the IB.
11.5.35. Arbitration in the Absence of a Party or Representative
Unless the law provides to the contrary, the arbitration may proceed in the absence of any Party or representative who, after due notice, fails to be present or fails to obtain a postponement. An award shall not be based solely on the default of a Party. The Arbitrator shall require the Party who is present to present such evidence as the Arbitrator may require for the making of the award. If the Case Administrator reasonably believes that only one Party is going to attend the hearing, the Arbitrator may receive evidence necessary to render a verdict either by telephone conference or by affidavit.
Guess all the damages that Q thought they’d recoup ( in their kangeroo court where they have NEVER lost an arbitration ) isn’t going to happen. So now the attorneys on both sides will make more $$$ and the media will get even more juicy tidbits to report to the American public. —- They can always take them to court, which I would prefer, as it will provide much more visibility of the tool scam. The people who really DON’T want this to happen are the remaining lying cowardly “kingpins”, especially the IBOAI, because they have the most to lose as more tool scam information is made public.
Seems like Q is really looking out for the current IBOs, huh? Cause we know that their suing Team is really going to keep more IBOs in the company…and make it even easier for those of you that are left to build your biz. —- Yes, they are, for a change. Because, not “cause”, your Elementary school English teacher would be ashamed of you for butchering the language as you do. I am glad Q is protecting their reputation, whether they do it in arbitration or the court system, as they are apparently more than willing to do.
I told you clowns Orrin’s best days were behind him, and it’s downhill from here. It’s coming true, now you’re squealing like a pig. Bacon, anyone?
October 25th, 2007 at 8:02 am
Hi All
Well I just finished reading the text of the newest lawsuit filed by Amway against TEAM.
How Pathetic.
How Sad.
That Amway, a once respected company could behave so childishly.
What a bunch of crybaby whining.
Holy cow.
Heavens to Betsy.
They actually let people sue for stuff like that?
Give me a break.
It seams their main beef is that we personally know people who used to be in our down line back when we were in that business.
It’s true.
We did know them before the business.
And we still know them.
Sometimes we even talk to them.
Now would someone please try to explain to me in simple terms why that is in any way using Amway’s proprietary property?
Oh and another thing.
I bought my ticket to the Louisville Seminar way back in July.
From the attendance of the Ticket holder meeting in July I would say that most people in attendance in Louisville also bought their tickets in July.
October 25th, 2007 at 8:03 am
Jeffrey #10,
Take your lame analogies somewhere else.
Jason #11,
Maybe they’re doing both. Maybe we’ll find out in part 2. Stay tuned.
Brad #12,
Grow up. If you can’t stomach Quixtar protecting their reputation, go outside and play with your toys. And make sure you share with the other kids. Let the grown ups handle this, please.
October 25th, 2007 at 8:17 am
Bridgett #16,
I think what dannie is trying to say is he is an idiot, he’s just too stupid to articulate this thought.
dannie #17,
And just so you know, MY family and friends are NOT proprietary business information…they are MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS !! —- Are you REALLY this stupid?
You think I left because anyone TOLD me what to do ? You don’t know me at all. They don’t make cholerics much more hard headed than this one. NO ONE has made, encouraged, pushed, suggested, called up, emailed, smoke signalled or in any other way influenced my decision to leave Q. —- You’re not choleric, you’re brain dead.
I only had to watch how people I respected were treated and talked about to know what I was going to do….reading the first “Just Go Team” blog pretty well sealed it for me. —- You mean the Orrinite tool scammers?
How can any one bad mouth a leadership that has people who believe in it, and then expect that many, many of us in those LOS would NOT leave. It’s like calling my baby ugly…he may be, but he’s mine and even if I call him that, YOU better not. —- Your “baby” Orrin is beyond ugly, he’s a lying cowardly “kingpin”. A baby doesn’t have a choice of his appearance, but Orrin and Co. had a choice of whether to tool scam their group. They voted “yes”.
Team IS a family. Families stick together. Don’t you people understand that ? Did you really think you could insult, call Orrin names, disparage ( that’s right, you did what you accuse us of doing ) his character and we would still WANT to be a part of you? —- TEAM may be a “family”, but it’s like the hillbillies that marry their sisters. You know, all vertical with no branches (all depth, no width) in the family/Orrinite tree? This produces problems in both cases.
We (the average IBO) did not ask for, nor want this tool scam. We wanted lower prices so our downlines wouldn’t laugh at us when we asked why they didn’t continue to order tools each month. Orrin didn’t attempted to get that. He didn’t. He’s gone and so are you, good riddance.
Get over it, crybabies. —- Who’s the crybaby? Look in the mirror.
October 25th, 2007 at 8:26 am
Jason #18,
More victories for Quixtar. Everyone likes a winner. They will be able to leverage all these legal wins in later PR campaigns. Keep filing those lawsuits across the country you Orrinites, let’s pump up the numbers.
dannie #19,
Get a clue. And a different analogy.
G #20,
Bridgett is getting paid? Hey Moderator, we need to talk….
Now she doesn’t know who she’s “talking to” on a blog? Who is “Greg”?
It’s pretty amazing that in that very document, folks watched a video provided by Corp and then were not able to recite answers to questions contained therein … —- No surprise to me, I’ve seen the Opens and a Seminar. It would take more than a simple video to correct the false teaching the Orrinites provide.
And for that, the corp “determines” they don’t know their sponsor??? —- I don’t think they said this, I think you’re lying, another Orrinite attribute.
Maybe they were dealing with ADHD folks? — And that would be you?
Perhaps they court an ADA (that’s Americans with Disabilities Act, not Amway Distributor Assoc) suit on top of all this? —- I think Orrin should file one, looks like he has plenty of evidence to me.
October 25th, 2007 at 8:36 am
Shaun #21,
The problem is in the Quixtar/Amway terms that say they own everyone you bring into the business. I think that is the unethical thing. Comparing taking customer lists with keeping people you recruited for your “Independent Business” is just plain crazy. —- Many companies have these rules, insurance agents come to mind. There are many other examples, if you are willing to engage your brain for a change.
It looks like Alticor is changing their business opportunity into an employee arrangement compensated on straight commission. I think it’s time they take the “Independent” and “Owner” out of IBO. —- Not even close. I think it’s time they take their qualification requirements above the level of legally retarded, often defined as about a 75 IQ.
AEM #22,
Yes, keep charging. Hey, there’s a cliff over there, why don’t you charge over the edge?
John #23,
How can Quixtar say they have LOS propietary secrets with a straight face? —- How about because they have used this position in numerous court cases and consistently win?
You buy from your self and teach others to do the same. That is it. What is secret about that? —- The “secret” is Quixtar makes that possible.
Oh the secrets are things like the exceedingly poor retention rate; the McKinsey report, the IBOAI’s unanamous vote of no confidence in Quixtar or its proposed name change to Amway, the truth that after 5 years over 95% of recruits drop out). we wouldn’t want the young college kid to know that he can expect 95% of his recruits to quit. Even the great Puryear, Britt and Yager have such a drop out rate. But let’s not tell that secret to the young student or single mom. —- All of the above caused by the tool scam.
Let’s tell them this is the best business in the world and let’s approve kingpins showing them rolexes and mansions. And Quixtar doesn’t even recruit or build downlines - IBOs do. If the IBO is the one who builds his downline, then how is it a Quixtar downline. —- The rolexes and mansions came from the tool scam. Quixtar makes the opportunity available, genius.
October 25th, 2007 at 8:39 am
#29 GirlPower
People believed in Quixtar too…..
October 25th, 2007 at 8:43 am
Thank you Quixtar, after your latest debacle you turned more current IBO’s into anti Quixtar mercenaries. I have received more information from people who want out only because of your unending bully tactics. I hope you understand that people are sick and tired of this, you’ll probably get it after the last of “your property” quits and leaves you with nothing but your legal department. But that’s o.k. cause as you claim victory you can throw one heck of a party with all that stored XS.
October 25th, 2007 at 8:49 am
Jeffrey #10-
Your analogy with the Chevy dealership falls short. Nobody is taking home a Corvette.
Rather, salespeople are keeping their list of business contacts. Big difference.
There is not an enforceable no-compete clause in the country that forces independent salespeople to turn in their list of names.
October 25th, 2007 at 8:54 am
Richard the Kitty Cat #52
So what your saying is, if somebody at one time was with Quixtar and the LOS, we cannot participate with them in events outside of Quixtar? What about a football game? Dinner? A movie? Everybody that went with me was a friend PRIOR to Quixtar. Do I have to stay away from them?
The leadership convention in Louisville was exactly as it says it was, a leadership convention. No business was mentioned, no products were discussed, only great speakers providing information with heart and sole to individuals who want to better themselves. It seems Quixtars latest tactics are a desperate but futile attempt to destroy our constitutional rights, just like the kamikazi in WWII with its futile attempt to hold off the enevitable.
October 25th, 2007 at 9:16 am
#10 Jeffrey: Your analogy is greatly flawed, and everyone is talking about humans as if they are a stapler, how sad. GM won’t allow you to take their physical property, but if I wanted to start another dealership, I could certainly take all the salesman in the dealership that wanted to come along. Besides, just the name switch alone to Amway, and I had to convince no one about coming with us to “Team” Leadership development vision, and the ones who are not coming with us, are not staying with Amway either.
To Dwight Spaulding: You winning liberal, You think it’s bad now, I can’t wait to tell people about Amway is Quixtar and Quixtar is Amway and how much of a pyrimid it is, and how much Amway organizations use the tool pyrimid to make their money. I can’t wait for that. I’m getting ready to join Market America (not really) in six months, but in the mean time, I’ll just keep spreading my “opinion” about you and yours.
I think we should all sue Alticor for all of our gas mileage and time spent on the roads talking to their property. We should sue them for the emotional stress we went through when we lost people and whole legs because Altiocr let certain publicity go unchecked, or lost people cause of their $6.00 monthly checks that they recived after spending $300.00 to 500.00 monthly. We should sue them for changing the rules without representation in an organization that led me to believe I had representation. We should sue them for misleading us to believe that building width is more profitable then building depth, oh it is, but for them not us. We should sue them for terminating Orrin and Chris without due process. Oh well, I guess I’ll just keep blogging.
Bridget: You should just go back to being barefoot and, well you know the rest. To you and all you Team haters, Ever hear of the “Whistle Blowers” Act. It protects people who blow the whistle on “even alleged” illegal activity. Please stop pretending to be stupid, or maybe your pretending to be smart, I can’t really tell, but you are pretending.
October 25th, 2007 at 9:23 am
“(A legal trick like that is like pretending Rich and Jay have nothing to do with our company”
Hey Genius—in case you haven’t heard Jay died several years ago…I just read his obit again,
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/08/obituaries/08andel.html
So tell me how does Jay have anything to do with your company
It seems as though Quixtar/Amway has lost a ton of people and now is trying to grasp at anything to survive. August 8th would have been the time to save your company and yes I meant th 8th the day before your company made the worst decision in the history of AMWAY. By the way since Rich has so much to do with your company I would like to see a post from him concerning the state of affairs.
October 25th, 2007 at 9:27 am
OK Jarad Smith,
My diamond did sit on policy council. I can back up Freedom #43 with other facts. My only question is: Do IBO’s have the right to take legal action agaist TEAM as individuals?
Why? if you have to ask you have not read any of the legal papers from California or Michigan. Especially those summitted by TEAM and or associated persons.
October 25th, 2007 at 9:27 am
Wow lets way this out, 12 pink panthers lying for Amway or 20,000 plus witnesses on behalf of the Team…Amway doesn’t have a chance. The best thing Amway could do is sit very quietly and hope the dust will clear and leave something left.
October 25th, 2007 at 9:28 am
hmmmm……just a thought…..you think maybe the Louisville major shook up Quixtar a bit. The #’s were astounding, speakers amazing, it downright ROCKED and there is nothing Quixtar could do to stop it. So now the temper tantrum starts. Oh by the way………..there is no coercing people as you call it……..they are leaving quixtar/amway (or whatever split personality you are today) on their own free will!! Quick someone give them a bottle before they embarrass themselves and everyone associated with them anymore. Good Luck ABO’S….. you will need it!
October 25th, 2007 at 9:47 am
Francine R aka Warrior Princess in Az: Your thoughts are very much appreciated. However, they are rather lengthy. Would you mind resubmitting a condensed version? Thank you!
Tex: I’m pretty sure G meant something else altogether. Besides, how could we ever pay you? Your participation is priceless
Chris: With all due respect, we are referring to Jay’s legacy. As for your suggestion re: Rich, that’s not a bad idea whatsoever. We posted a couple of videos earlier this year over on the Amway Media Blog that may interest you in the meantime.
driven: Please note that we edited out your reference to the company as “nazi-like” in your above comment. By no means are we trying to censor your thoughts—we have been called every name in the book on this blog—but we are insisting that folks skip the “Nazi” and “Hitler” references altogether, be it to us or anyone else, out of historical respect plain and simple. That said, feel free to criticize us in future posts—just not in a way that might offend an entire culture if at all possible. Thank you for your consideration.
October 25th, 2007 at 10:06 am
#37 wow, dwight spalding agrees with the Q. Stop free speech!!! What a great way to solve problems. Simply complain and expect no one to defend themselves. Thats called a bully mentality. No one fights back against a bully (except me) and when they do the bully cries (complains) to mommy (Q) about how unfair life is.
October 25th, 2007 at 10:19 am
G #24,
By the way, the only document produced to date with these allegations (aka uncorroborated) appears to have been drafted after the now infamous August 9th meeting. How CONVENIENT …—- The termination letter written ON August 9th lists the past violations. You don’t think Orrin would have squealed about this a long time ago if these issues were untrue?
Tom #25,
There’s very little substance on your site.
G #26,
Jeffrey’s link may be in violation of the advertising rules. Why don’t you call Quixtar and find out?
October 25th, 2007 at 10:22 am
#78 Tex,
What ? Can’t find a spelling error in my posts so now we’re going to insult my usage of the language ? Cause why ?
Does anyone else see this guy for the “real person” that he is ? Inside OR outside here ?
U R SEW PATHETIK
Give you something new to make fun of……
October 25th, 2007 at 10:27 am
LisBette #27,
Da–ed if you’re Orrin, da–ed if you’re an Orrinite. This is getting even funnier than I thought possible.
Interfered with non-compete agreements? How? By questioning their validity? —- Go read the CA court decision for your answer.
Interfered with non-solicitation agreements? How? No one has solicited ANYone for any business venture. —- Not according to Quixtar. They made the statement, I believe they have the evidence to back it up….oh wait, they already have the evidence, she testified in the MI court a week or two ago. They probably have even more, just haven’t shown all their cards yet.
WAKE UP–THIS IS WHY PEOPLE HAVE PUT UP BLOGS CRITICIZING YOUR COMPANY!! BECAUSE YOU DESERVE CRITICISM!! YOUR ARE ACTING LIKE MOHRONS! (Misspelling deliberate, Mr. Mohr.) —- The madder we make you Orrinites the better. Not only do you have loose tongues that have already helped Q’s legal case, as Q accumulates the lawsuit wins they can easily overcome the PR issue. Point to their win/loss record, then point to YOUR posts that show WHY you lost. Case closed, let’s move some soap, Mr. Prospect. Of course, if you want some good laughs, we’ll do a search for “LisBette”. Maybe we can put LisBette on “Ditto”, and have one of your posts pop up daily on our computer for entertainment value. Careful not to blow a gasket, LessBrain.
October 25th, 2007 at 10:30 am
Moderator #93
If you are refusing to allow “Hitler” references, why did Girl Power #29 get thru ?
PS…I do, of course, agree that it should not be allowed..were you just snoozing as you moderated ?
October 25th, 2007 at 10:32 am
staythecourse #28,
I read the above and I am confused, maybe someone can help me. —- It because you are staying the course, staythecourse.
Do I now have to terminate all contact with them now that I am no longer an IBO? Do they own them now? —- Please go back to real estate, this is a grown up blog.
How can I steal something that was mine before I started with Quixtar? —- Like what?
What are they referencing here?
“because TEAM has taken proprietary business information from Quixtar that IBOs could be using right now to build Quixtar businesses.” —- Read the lawsuit again. Slowly. Ask your lawyer what it means if you’re still confused, you must have some lawyer friends you use with your real estate business, right?
I left because I have lost respect for Quixtar given the way they are handeling this dispute and second because I will no longer have a business after the switch to Amway. Prior to my resignation I alreay had the IBO’s I signed up tell me they would not renew under the Amway name. —- Bub-bye. Why not, they didn’t sign up under the Quixtar name or even realize they had a contract with Quixtar, it was all TEAM, right? What’s the problem?
Last how can they say that the TEAM is coersing people to follow them and rather than Quixtar. After the first e-mail they sent me after the termination of Woodward and Bradey I knew I was out the door. I just wasn’t sure when. TEAM has helped me grow in character and confidence. I have seen the benifits of the TEAM Leadership program in my personal and professional life. —- Bub-bye. Bye now. Bub-bye.
October 25th, 2007 at 10:39 am
#52 Richard
Ummm, what do you mean nashville? And please, for all adults and anyone else with a high school education, look up the word “prolly” in the dictionary and tell us what you find.
Now for the real work. “don’t steal what you don’t own”? Two problems with that theory. One, how can you steal what you do own? And two, more importantly, why does Q think it owns my moms number? Last I checked, I am allowed to call my mom, all my family, my in-laws (but for the sake of argument, I’ll let Q win on that one), my friends, my co-workers, my schoolmates, the people with whom I had a conventional business, and my neighbors. They can keep the 7 customers they gave me in the last 2 months (all annonymous and 0 pv) and heck even the two customers I signed up who were complete strangers to me before (and only bought the first month). Sounds reasonable doesn’t it?
Two, can you please show me a team los? I’ve never seen or used one, nor heard of one now that I think of it. I don’t need a los to find out where my mom is on my team or to find her adress or phone number. For some odd reason I can remember that stuff. Seems an odd analogy to compare my mom buying stuff from me to a Micky D’s where the customers are rarely related (I’m sure because relatives see what the food is made of and how it tastes).
Three, some of the rules that we “broke” are still not rules. For example, one rule is called the “anticipatory” rule by us now. Q fired several people in anticipation of them doing something. I’d love to go through all of them, but not enough room. Love to get some coffee with you guys and explain all of them though. Thanks gang.