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August 10th, 2007 @ 3:59 pm ET…
Just go, Team
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We terminated Orrin Woodward yesterday, along with several other leaders of his field organization, named Team. We’ll post our formal statement when it’s ready. Informally, here’s the story:
We terminated Orrin Woodward for philosophical reasons. We did it for legal reasons.
But the main reason we did it is because the way Orrin Woodward ran his organization was a disgrace to every person who’s ever tried to build a Quixtar or Amway business the right way.
We have fought to clean up the reputation of our company for years. We know that one of the biggest challenges our reputation faces is misrepresentation of the Quixtar and Amway businesses to others.
And over the last several months, it became clear to us that Orrin Woodward was a poster child for a long list of bad business practices that our critics hate about our company. The other leaders we terminated – including Chris Brady, Billy Florence, Don Wilson, Randy Haugen, Tim Marks and Chuck Goetschel – also showed they were unwilling to reform.
Not telling people they were signing up with Quixtar? Woodward would hide that fact from new Independent Business Owners as long as he could.
Making people think it was easy money? Same deal.
Telling people that Quixtar was merely a “supplier,” and not the company they were signing a contract with? Yup.
We’d told Woodward we had problems with the way he ran his business for years, and we worked methodically to bring those problems to resolution. We got ignored, we got lied to, and, boy, we got the runaround.
So in the end, yesterday, we tried to give him one last chance to reform.
He didn’t even want to hear his options. So we terminated him. And in return, he handed us a trumped-up, trash-talking lawsuit on his way out the door. In response, we have a temporary restraining order issued by a court that prevents him from looting the business as he seeks to take his act to a new company.
So he’s gone, and so are others. We are doing our best to repair the relationships Orrin Woodward damaged and protect the businesses of the people in his organization that Orrin Woodward betrayed. And we will continue building our business with thousands of people who know how to build it the right way.
We would say we were sorry to see Orrin Woodward go. But only if that were true.
Filed by: Corporate Communications
Posted in: Alticor, Amway, Quixtar, Transformation
August 15th, 2007 at 10:19 pm
Why am I here on this page? I really don’t know. Perhaps a slip back to a 95% moment…I should be out there tonight building the TEAM. However, after reading several of the postings herein I feel compelled to comment: Orrin, Chris…Policy Council and Round Table members…my wife and I are extremely proud to be part of the TEAM; involved in the best leadership training system in the world, not to mention this exciting and invigorating transformation before us. Speaking on behalf of my down line, we’re extremely proud and honored to be backing you and your efforts 100%. Thank you Orrin…Chris…TEAM…looking forward to being part of the 1st million people…and beyond!
August 15th, 2007 at 10:30 pm
Marty # 34 if you would please read this I want you to know I am a little concerned for you.
You said that we all submit to mentors and authority. That is 100% true, but I believe you are missing a few things. Does this mean that Moses should have submitted to the Pharoahs authority? How about David should he have submitted to his brothers authority and not went and faced Goliath? God Forbid! David said “Is there not a cause.” So when it comes to a matter of principle we don’t always submit to those in authority over us if there principle is out of line. We do always submit to God and his principles. So what Orrin is saying is that he has a cause to make a company that will effect millions of peoples lives and the other company does not feel the same way.
Furhtermore I am little concerned for you. When you read through the Gospels the people Jesus condemned the most was the Pharisees because they were so hypocritical. So I would warn you that is a scary place to be to jugde another man’s character that you don’t know very well. I have been around Orrin and his number one goal in life is to do the right thing.
August 15th, 2007 at 10:34 pm
I would like to express my thanks to all the parties on both sides of this disagreement that responded in an adult and intelligent way. To the rest of you please stop the mud slinging. It cannot help anyone or change anyone’s mind. What I will say about Quixtar is the two biggest things I have had to over come in this business is negitivity of Amyway’s name and the high prices.
I have been a TEAM member for almost four years.Never for one minute have I ever doubted Orrin or Chris’s integirty or honesty.Everything they have done for the business has been to make it better.The frist thing in their minds are to make things better for the new person.Just let us go. Thanks
August 15th, 2007 at 10:43 pm
Ok Class, Todays lesson;
10 Steps to UNITE a “Team “.
Step 1 alienate the field
( You can do this by changing without input from those that object ( IBOAI ), run a company of lawyers not leaders, & ignore suggestions from your partners and friends )
Step 2 Forget that your company’s’ role is to serve the field, rather than the fields role to serve the company / owners.
( You can do this by selling us overpriced products and running a company of Rules & Laws rather than Hope & Opportunity )
Step 3 You can Terminate two of your biggest partners / leaders
( There is enough said here on this subject )
Step 4 You can make martyrs of them by slandering them, lying about them, or shelling out half truths.
( “Orrin Woodward ran his organization was a disgrace to every person who’s ever tried to build a Quixtar or Amway business” &
“We would say we were sorry to see Orrin Woodward go. But only if that were true.”)
Step 5 You then insult everyone in their group.
( You forget then name “Team” represents tens of thousands of IBO’s, not just two of the leaders ” Just Go, Team “? )
Step 6 You give us hope by announcing they plan on starting a new MLM
( As a leader on Team, the first I ever heard that was on the e-mail you sent me. I bet it will be great )
Step 7 You try to divide all the leaders within the team
( You do that with Ultimatum phone calls and poorly worded e-mails )
Step 8 You start a trash talking Blog and have obvious A/Q bloggers try to smear the Team and its leaders.
( How much do they pay you guys? and is it by the hour or by the insult? )
Step 9 You can counter sue the plaintiffs to try to keep your “Trade Secrets” secret.
( this makes it crystal clear that you are afraid of what they know http://www.iboblog.org/my_weblog/board_restructuring/index.html )
Step 10 Do something REALLY crazy that will make it unbelievably difficult to build
( Like changing the name Back to Amway. )
So Quixtar, today and this week, you get an A+ ( The “Team” is more united than ever )
When the Team is gone and you want to sue them for solicitation, remember this, it was you that said ” Just Go, Team .”
August 15th, 2007 at 11:03 pm
Sorry, when I became an IBO with the Team, I cringed when I had to explain that we were affliated with Quixtar. I would get the ugly face and then “Amway”.
High prices! ABSOLUTELY!
Tell me why some of the Quixtar leaders would speak at a Team meeting? Hmmmmm
Dick Devos lost the race for the governor to Granholm. Why? Think about it!
August 15th, 2007 at 11:11 pm
#548 - DanO322 : Great Msg! YOU ROCK!
August 15th, 2007 at 11:29 pm
POLITICS!!! Doug Devos ran for Govenour of MI and LOST… Does anyone else think Alticor changing the name of Quixtar to Amway has to do with Doug running for office?
In 18-24 months this will represent the year 2009… this is exactly 50 years since AMWAY has been in business… PUT IT TOGETHER!!! COME ON!!!!
For example… Alticor changed the name of the Orlando Magic’s arena to “The Amway Arena” IN 2006… do you think this move was to help Quixtar IBOs in building their business in Orlando???… or perhaps to create a presense in Florida to win the Democratic vote? … in 2012.
What about the Marketing campaign’s in MI … “I AM AMWAY”… was this to help the IBOs or to sell POLITICS????
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=I+am+amway
A great way to stab TEAM in the back!
My loyalty lies with my upline leaders… those who have invested in my success… ORRIN and CHRIS and all of the Leaders on TEAM.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:33 pm
Well, I found out for sure about the Quixtar name change to Amway. I just googled “Quixtar name change” and there it was all the time in the Grand Rapids Press newspaper. Too bad I live 1500 miles away from Grand Rapids. How inconsiderate of Quixtar/Amway to not tell us ibo’s about the name change, but it’s ok to tell the rest of the world about it??
If they can’t even fill us in on a big deal like changing the company back to the joke of a name “Amway”, then that makes me distrust them EVEN MORE.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:35 pm
I have a question that would be very interesting to hear the true answer too. Back in 2002 another organization called Team In Focus challenged A/Q regarding the Quixtar “system”. This organization wanted to make the compensation plan fair for the lower level of IBO’s instead of a select few at the very top and the founding families. When I read about this (I knew several of the diamonds listed in that organization). The founding families immediately accused this entire organization of running an “illegal pyramid scheme” and basically destroyed the entire organization after getting rid of the top diamonds in that organization. This consisted of 17 separate diamonds and I’m sure of numberous Emeralds, etc.. (I have been reading about at least twice that many diamonds and up that has been in these exact situations as TEAM is now). Since then I have been doing a good deal of search and research on this. So far I have found that virtually every diamond and even a few higher pins up to a Crown that has challenged Amway/Quixtar has immediately been branded as running an “illegal pyramid scheme”, accused of “illegal stacking” of breaking this rule or that rule andby running an illegal business. There may be, but I have yet to find an ex-diamond or above that is no longer in this business that was not terminated or forced to resign or whatever and “tainted’ with these charges. Also, most of the situations that I have been studying started by these pins challenging the corporation over the system, the compensation for lower levels and/or the pricing.
If there is anyone out there that can show me an exception to what I have said then I would be more than happy to find out about it because I have defended Amway/Quixtar almost to a fault to other people. I hope that what I am finding is not true and I DO NOT make any accustions but just want to find out/know the truth.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:39 pm
As an add-on that I forgot to mention, this is an exerpt from one of the sites that I’ve been checking out (and no, I DO NOT believe everything that I read) but it does make for very interesting reading.
After that, it was a predictable downhill slide for TIF. Immediately following a written request for conciliation according to Amway/Quixtar’s Dispute Resolution Rules, about half the Diamond’s distributorships were suspended, and their earnings were frozen. Amway/Quixtar personnel began calling those Diamond’s downline Platinums to read them a “warning” letter.
“They also made calls to the downline of several Diamonds who had not yet been suspended. They said this was an accident. In some cases, when they couldn’t reach the IBO, they actually read the letter to whoever answered the phone, in some cases children, friends or neighbors. They didn’t say that this was an accident.”
Amway/Quixtar ended the situation suddenly on April 19, 2002, by terminating the distributorships of the three ringleaders. Later that day, all other TIF founders resigned their distributorships as well*.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:48 pm
I think the following comment on the Legacy Blog under the forum topic - Correcting the Record, By Ron Simmons
reveals the real reason that Team wanted to leave and all the “high prices, rethoric etc,etc.” is just a way to make them look legitimet for trying to leave. A reason to make them look like the “stand up guy”…
The fact was that Team had already made it known that they would NOT stay with Alticor if they went back to the Amway name (and everyone knew that). If Alticor had wimped out and allowed the name to stay Quixtar all the other “high price” crap would have been dropped and Team would have continued to aggresively try and convince everyone that Quixtar is still the greatest opportunity in the world, like they have been doing for years with their aggressive brain washing at functions. And all of you would have never even heard about “high price issue”.
The following is a quote from Legacy Blog:
“The entire business changed this past June as the owners of the Company decided to change the Quixtar name back to Amway, without seeking advice and counsel from the IBOAI Board on which Don, Randy, Orrin, Chris, Chuck Goetschel and Billy Florence sat as members along with other IBO leaders. Even though they said it would be a change in 18 -24 months, it was released it to the press and then the Company prepared a new brochure that must be given to all new IBOs beginning September 1, 2007 stating we are essentially now in Amway………..All of this led the leadership of Team and other affiliated organizations such as Legacy to conclude that the new Amway business is not something that they felt can be built.”
He also mentions in this blog that Alticor has done nothing to combat the negative internet problem.
What needs to be pointed out here is that the NEGATIVE INTERNET problem is mainly all caused by the systems like TEAM’s who drain the IBO of all their money. Almost all negative internet is all about AMO and system tool money. A problem that Yeager, Woodward and all the other kingpins created themselves….not Alticor. However, Alticor did continue to let these systems to operate for years knowing the damage it was doing to the IBOs because they were afraid of losing the almight dollar too.
If any of you think that Woodward and company are worried about you…then you are dreaming that dream that will never be reached.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:01 am
I am a Founder’s Platinum under Don and Nancy Wilson (Legacy Business Group). I am disappointed in the leadership of Team, assuming that’s Orrin and Chris, or could it also be the policy council? My concern is that we were allowed into the Team organization this last February, with, of course, much excitement, because of course, it appeared to be and was a perfect merger–the chance to have so many opens and seminars all over the country. But now I feel like we were dooped, screwed–that there’s the possibility that we, along with Wilsons and Haugens and Florences etc. were seduced into Team, possibly so that Orrin and Chris could have more clout bringing this Complaint against Quixtar with Don’s and Randy’s (and Billy’s and possibly Fred’s) names listed as plaintiffs, OR that when Orrin and Chris (Team) start a new MLM, that they would suck us into it too–attempting to steal us away from our upline and Quixtar–clearly a violation of the Golden Rule and Quixtar’s guidelines (How would you like to have your downline Double Diamond organization stolen away from you?)
Don can’t talk. Randy can’t talk. Nobody can talk. Who are we supposed to trust? The logical answer seems to be our sales coordinators and Quixtar, or Dexter. Maybe some of you Team players should consult Ron and Toby!!!! Why not?
I’m not about to join another multilevel business and leave Quixtar. They’ve been too good to me and my family. And I would have a hard time trusting the possibilities of success of a new MLM.
Are Orrin and Chris going to start another MLM that drives depth with stacking and violates FTC rules? What’s going to happen to IBOs who leave Quixtar for 6 months waiting to join a new MLM. How many of them will have the mental or physical momentum to start up with a new MLM and be successful? How can Orrin and Chris successfully develop a product line that is a tenth as good or as big as Quixtar’s and their connections and have the time to find and develop an infrastructure to handle product flow, and reorganize lines of sponsorship, etc.?
And what about the new people in our group who last Saturday at their seminar bought $2000 worth of tools to get their business started–not knowing that these tools now have no credibility–with Orrin’s and Chris’ names and faces on many of the packages and CDs and DVDs? Now we have to look them in the eye and say “Welcome to this great business where we sucked you in and got you to come to your first seminar where we influenced you to buy 100s of dollars worth of tools that are useless now–unapproved by Quixtar made by leaders who are no longer in Quixtar. We’ll do our best to help you get your money back from and organization that may not even recognize Quixtar’s 6 month tools buy-back rule.”
What do I tell my people, many who have spent their $90/person for tickets to Louisville in October and some who have already purchased plane tickets and have nonrefundable hotel rooms? Is this going to be a Quixtar/Team meeting or some new business? Are they going to be taught stacking?
In my opinion, the policy council or Orrin and Chris owe a big apology to Legacy (Wilson) people. I feel like we have been misled. I feel that somehow, Orrin and/or Chris HAD TO KNOW back in February that there was the possiblity or that they definitely intended to start another MLM soon depending on Quixtar’s response to their requests, or WHETHER OR NOW Quixtar responded to their price lowering requests, and if this is the case, they should never have allowed us in without full disclosure of these possibilities.
Of course, I recognize that Don and Randy may have known these things. If this is the case, then I am disappointed in them.
But Dexter has always taught us that with every story, there are three sides: my side, your side, and the truth, and NONE of us except possibly our ex-leaders and some Quixtar lawyers will ever really know the truth.
We, in Legacy, were pawns. And, I believe that some or all of you in Team have been pawns too. My first rule in life, The Golden Rule, has been violated big time.
I see a scenario that somehow, there are a bunch of Team and Legacy and Florence etc. IBO’s who would like to continue that partnership we had with the opens etc. building our Quixtar businesses in compliance with Quixtar/FTC guidelines.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:09 am
WIN WIN OR NO DEAL
August 16th, 2007 at 12:17 am
#611 MarDJay
Man. You need help man!
August 16th, 2007 at 12:20 am
Word to the wise, do not blindly take the “facts” from quixtar as truth. To all IBO’s, research what the resigned leaders are really doing in Federal Court. They have told all of us team members to not speak badly of quixtar. Do not let yourself be uninformed of both sides of the story.
To all those on the TEAM… the merged organizations with the same vision, This is a very exciting time. Let’s go to a million, and beyond. Nothings going to stand in the way, not even Quixtar!
I’m sorry the split had to happen, I wish it didn’t need to be this way. But nothing is going to stand in the way of an idea who’s time has come.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:21 am
alticor,
i have never seen a corporation post something even remotely close to what you have posted on your blog “just go, team”. regardless of who is right, i am stupified that you would say such things on your blog. you should be ashamed of youselves.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:24 am
#612 Founders Platinum under Don Wilson
“tools that are useless now–unapproved by Quixtar”
The Team tools never were “approved” by Quixtar. No tools are “approved” by Quixtar. Have you not seen the articles explaining that Quixtar is spending hudreds of millions of dollars on “training and education” for the IBO? Quixtar has never been in the tool business and now they are trying to be. The billions of dollars Alticor makes isnt enough for them. This whole thing is about greed and nothing else.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:25 am
#611 MarDJay
I have seen a LOT of posts by people that had absolutely no idea what they are talking about. You though know less than anyone I’ve seen yet. I am Legacy/TEAM and either had to be paid to make that statement or you are doing that because you are an A/Q employee and were told to.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:28 am
612 You can not believe you speak for all (former) legacy IBOs. As a Legacy Platinum I am thrilled with the courage of our leaders!! All of them! They had everything to loose by standing up but they did it any way. Thanks to every one of them that had the courage & honor to do what is right. Don and Randy are big boys, they now what they are doing and I applaud them. If they are willing to put their names on this, I believe them. If Billy Florence, a legend in our business, puts his name to it I believe him. Believe a corporation or men of character… easy choice for me
August 16th, 2007 at 12:30 am
#615 Amanda
I agree wholeheartedly and apologize for any negative things i may have posted on this blog. When I see something so blatantly unjust I have to comment on it (guess i need to read more ;)) I will have no more negative comments.
As stated on Orrin’s site:
“We are very confident about the future because we know that the key to the internet is COMMUNITY! Content and Commerce can and will be developed!”
August 16th, 2007 at 12:31 am
#612 Founders Platinum
Speak for yourself since it is obvious that you think so little of Wilson and Haugen that they could be that gullible and stupid and/or crooked. I have not made up my mind just yet what I’m going to do but at least I will have the integrity and guts to stand up for two of the finest people that I know who has the highest level of integrity, character and honesty. If you had ever really believed in them then you would know that they would only do something in our best interest.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:45 am
Nice to have everyone off in the bushes. I challenge Quixtar to put a poll on their site asking the main question. Are Quixtar products over priced? Do whatever you like Q… one vote per ip address… it won’t matter your prices are criminal.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:45 am
WAKE UP PEOPLE!! Do you really think this lawsuit started in one day… This has been in the works for quite sometime. Orrin and Chris and the others have been pressuring Quixtat for a long time to lower prices and make at least some of the products retailable with no action seen. They have been ready for all of this for awhile.. Chris even stated awhile back that if quixtar changes its name back to Amway “we’re outta here” No one was fired! Stacking is not the issue! It is quite obvious what has happened they finally stood up and took a stand. Don’t worry I would bet money Chris and Orrin know what is going to happen next whether they are successful in the lawsuit or they have to wait six months for the non-compete clause to expire..
August 16th, 2007 at 1:06 am
rpr7768
#614
I need help…oh that is funny…I’m not the one stuck in the middle of a MLM that has had more negativity attached to it than any other in the country. All the negative press is because of AMO’s like Woodwards.
NO, you are the one that got yourself stuck in a brain washing organization. I was smart enough when Team tried to recruit me with “self consume - teach others to do the same system” to realize something was a miss.
Then when I attended an open meeting, then a major function I could see the mind manipulation at work. The minds games that were being played at that function was obvious to someone who has any amount of training in psychology of which I have a degree. I have personal experience with those involved in cultish organizations and they all follow the same model and Team was undeniably using the tactics of mind control at this function.
I went on to see my friends become mindless drones that could not think for themselves, they could only bow to the God of Woodward and cut themselves off from anyone and everything that did not involve the Team way. Refuse to be friends with anyone that wasn’t on board with Team. Do a little research on Mind Control…examine the “BITE” Model of mind control and you will see the simularity to Team. Almost all of Quixtar’s AMO’s are isted as dangerous oganizations to get involved with on the website of a well known Cult expert.
My friend told me that there was NO way Quixtar was a pryamid…even though I could show them proof, no they would not look at my material..the would see NO negative…NOW…Woodward admits it, and now they believe it. Had they listened several years ago maybe they would have saved themselves the thousands of dollars that they have lost in the past few years on tapes, cds and functions.
After all….if the “negative” is not true then listening to it should be a positive, it will reenforce that they have the right way when you can prove the negative wrong. But instead of taking the challenge the began cutting themselves off from any critical thinking and that just proves there was another factor at work and there is something to hide.
Help, no sir, not me, I didn’t join, I just watched my friends lose thousand of dollars on tools, get in debt, have to file bankruptcy, all the while making nothing on thier bonus checks because they were all going back to pay for tools and those functions that “helped save their marriage, made them a better person etc, etc, etc. even though they got involved in Quixtar to make money, not to join a self help group. No, my friend…you are the one that needs to get some help and hopefully one day you will and will be free from the chains that bind you. I pray for all envolved with Team and all the other AMO’s as well. Good luck to you.
August 16th, 2007 at 1:06 am
Hi Rich 621
I don’t think little of Don or Randy. I don’t have all of the facts. I know that Don and Randy have inadvertently been screwed in the past as easily as you and I could have been, and I believe that it’s possible that it could happen or could have happened again. And, of course, I was speaking for myself. I’m sure there are some of us on both ends and some in the middle. And, actually, I don’t know where I am until the dust settles. It’s impossible to make a decision until the dust settles.
August 16th, 2007 at 1:07 am
#623 Andy
Agreed! Also, I can imagine that Microsoft has already been contacted and a site has already been built (by the same people no doubt) and the transformation will be seemless, or as close to seemless as possible. i have all the faith in the world that our leaders are on top of this thing and are doing what’s right for all IBO’s. “No IBO’s left behind”
August 16th, 2007 at 1:11 am
i love it when they prove my point for me. less work involved. More time for sleeping.
August 16th, 2007 at 1:23 am
Hi Founders Platinum 625
Then I owe you an apology since I “spoke” a little quick (but I’m liable to do that especially when it comes to Don - see # 367). So again my apologies.
August 16th, 2007 at 1:43 am
In response to the Quixtar/IBOAI Joint Statement!
Dear IBOAI,
Are there any brave men of integrity left in the IBOAI that truly care about the IBO, or do they only care about themselves and are too afraid of Quixtar/Alticor/Amway to represent my best interests and rock the boat like the GREAT 8 LEADERS who resigned your board?
Do not speak for me or even pretend that you have my VOTE! You were supposed to represent the IBO, not Quixtar! You obviously represent no one but your own self-interests. I will not renew my membership to the IBOAI or Quixtar!
I am extremely disappointed in you for siding with Quixtar and not the IBO to protect your pocketbooks. Just how much did Quixtar pay you to sell us down the river?
I am appalled that you approve the name change to AMWAY and their terminations of our leaders, with some trumped up false lies to cover their hidden agenda!
I am appalled that you approve of Alticor competing with IBOs with their 2 new cosmetic companies allowed to sell retail IN STORES, while we are not allowed to compete with them? Isn’t this a case of “DO AS I SAY AND NOT AS I DO”? Where is the leadership in that? I divorced my ex-husband because he practiced the same philosophy. Parents are supposed to lead their children by example, just as our leaders should!
Doing the right thing is often the more difficult path, but it is always the more worthy path to take. Apparently, you have taken the EASY WAY OUT
If you truly care about me or my business, you would have resigned too! You would have united with the GREAT 8 and acted as one voice. UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL! You let Quixtar divide you, and conquer you. You sold your soul to Quixtar and now they own you.
I will follow the GREAT 8 or BAND OF EIGHT. They will go down in the history books for standing up for what is right. You will be a hick-up at best and no-one will remember you except as weak and cowardly men.
You have disgraced yourselves and the IBOAI and everything it is supposed to stand for! Quixtar will loose 40% or more of their IBOs come renewal time, because of the name change to AMWAY and what they have done to our great leaders. Quixtar has a hidden agenda that could care less about me, the IBO. Maybe their agenda is to rid themselves of the IBOs altogether and go retail in stores!
BTW: Have you been keeping track of the blogs? Because I am a “C” personality, I created an excel spreadsheet to track each post and see just how many are for or against the GREAT 8. The posts that were neutral, I gave credit to Quixtar, to be sure I was fair. So far the ratios are steady at 69% for the GREAT 8 and only 31% approve of what Quixtar has done. The 31% post comments so off the mark that they are in it just to get attention for themselves! That means YOU are not representing the majority of IBOs. You are representing the ignorant who don’t know the facts, because they are the only ones left who will listen to you now.
LOYAL TO THE EIGHT WHO HAD THE GUTS TO STAND UP AND FIGHT FOR ME!
Signed,
GOING WITH TEAM, WHEREVER THEY LEAD.
August 16th, 2007 at 1:44 am
MarDJay
I really do feel bad for you. Im sure you were contacted by someone who was a friend that felt you were someone they wanted to build this business with and you listened to them like any friend would. You even went to an Open and a Seminar. Very good. Unfortunately you just didnt have the self esteem or the self confidence to feel like you could build this business, and that’s ok, this business isn’t for everyone. This business is for people that may have a small bit of hope left in their lives (obviously not you) and are put together with a group of people who bring that hope to life.
Honestly, i dont want your help and i dont want your prayers (you’re going to need them). I have been a part of this business for just about 2 years and felt the same way you do about the tools and the functions when i got started, fortunately for me, i have been brainwashed. I admit it. I sit in those crowded seminars, I listen to audios of leaders telling me i can and will build this business and i thank god for it every day. When i think about the person i was 2 years ago i truly thank god for this opportunity and the people i have been blessed to associate with. I thank God that i am not the kind of person who sits alone in a dark room and obsesses about a “cult” of positive people all working their hardest to help each other succeed. If I am to be labeled as a “brainwashed” positive person who likes to see my friends accomplish something in their lives (other than a few overly obsessive posts about a business im too scared to be a part of) and if i’m to be labeled as being part of a “cult” then so be it. I am a proud brainwashed cult member!
Have a great life!
August 16th, 2007 at 2:00 am
#624
MarDJay, what makes you so angry? If you are not affiliated with QUIXTAR as an IBO you are not part of any training organization either.
So why do you increase the negativaty in the internet? Your friends after participating in the TEAM personal develpment system should be able to speak for themselves by now. They coulnd’t listen and not grow from it.
And if it doesn’t work, what do you have to loose? But what if it does?
August 16th, 2007 at 2:21 am
#612 & #625
Founders Platinum under Don Wilson,
I am sadden to see that you obviously didn’t had a chance to get closer to Don Wilson’s wisdom his thinking. I was blessed to expirience him as my mentor in life!
I know that your doubts would have been washed away if you had his presence in your life. His vision has brought me to were I am today. It has lead Legacy to be strong enough in alliance with TEAM to survive what Corporate has planed. Don Wilson’s sacrifice will help you have a business in the future. Your Founders Platinum will be the lowest pin you’ve ever accomplished. Trust in your leader. I do and I will follow him were ever he goes.
August 16th, 2007 at 2:46 am
Our organization was with TEAM for only few months before all this mess happened. In the time that we were with them I really did see great leadership with the TEAM organization. My respect is for Orrin and Chris and all the other leaders in TEAM. I think that TEAM and Quixtar, they both have a different point of view about stuff. Its hard to say whos right or wrong. For me, Im gonna follow my leaders cause they have great leadership too. We were doing real good with out with out TEAM anyways. Thanks TEAM for teaching us sum things that sure helped us. I believe TEAM is going to a million people but so are we. Orrin always taught that the one skill you must get good at is to EDIFY, and by complaining, criticizing, and condeming here on this website, you sure are not helping. Dont let his whole mess, mess you up. God bless you.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:06 am
I’m pretty new and a bit embarrassed to be associated with Amway to be honest. I wish that decision could be reconsidered. I joined Amway a couple decades back and got reprimanded by my upline when I wouldn’t bait and switch (invite people to dinner and then present instead). I’m sure glad that isn’t done anymore but the stigma is still around.
Lower priced goods sounds fabulous. It would make it so much easier to sell myself on more of the products let alone sell the products to others. I would rather build my business a little slower with products, pricing, and plans that are enticing to all. The believability in the dream is greatest when you know you can sell the products as easily as the dream. The dream may bring you in–great products at great prices can keep us.
I’m still making appointments and going for it but–Wow–this TEAM information is very unsettling. I hope an amicable solution can be worked out promptly and professionally.
Final statement–thank you for the chance to change my life for the better and the lives of others. There is nothing out there as good as Quixtar even on ‘Quixtar bad day’.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:41 am
Alas I am so saddened by this negative mess and what troubles me the most is all the folks out there that are fragile in the business and this mess is the last straw and they quit and years from now will remember they once had a dream. Other folks who might have been a candidate for the premier business opportunity in the world now may be poisoned by media attention and the lawsuit (thanks a lot for that crossline broadside, I didn’t really need those allegations to deal with). I am praying for peaceful and quick resolution so that we may get back to business building and setting people free.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:00 am
#612 I am under Don wilson as well just quick note to you. Faith is what we only have sometimes. Other times we have all the facts in front of us. Our Leaders including Don Wilson are together on this. They have earned our respect and our loyalty, Don is not so shallow to follow blindly. He is a man of integrity and great wisdom and character. Founders platinum is a great place to be but helping all get there faster, is better. Its about the Team not us. Serving and helping all who want to get there dreams and goals. Some of us know more than others. But trully stay possitive brother. This is in fact the stepping stone to better bigger things for all who wish to have a B type business. We do indead love the quixtar corporation for all they do and continue to do for many people that want to make extra money. But this is trully about freedom for all who want it. Not hoping to keep what we got. Faith in Don, Faith in men of integrity, and faith in god. God new this was coming. And our cause is justified and is greater then the money. I made over 70,000 last year solely from this business, I know your fear, faith brother. We are following men of integrity. Do not be ashamed, or scared We are trully living right he can’t help but bless you and I for we will continue whatever the outcome reached we will be in the living rooms declaring freedom, Freedom for all who want to be home with there kids freedom for all who want to spend there lives chasing a higher purpose. Serving and helping others have fun make money and make a difference. Faith brother we got your Back.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:36 am
#624 What you focus on is what you get. You do know that as well. Hatred is something that makes us sad. Do u see the happiness in most all of the Teams blogs. Happiness! Happiness comes from hope of better and bigger things for all people. Not just ourselves money comes and goes always. But hope and faith builds happiness. You can’t take money with u it’s only a tool. Instead of bashing down your friends you should build them up tell them they can do anything there mind is really set on. Again what u focus on is what you get. We do Love you even though you aren’t used to seeing people succeed in this. Team doesn’t watch to see if people succeed or fail, We help them succeed so those that have faith to stick out tuff times don’t fail. Tell your friends to join Team if they still got big dreams. We will help them succeed. And yes we still love the quixtar corporation but this is nessesary for moving to bigger better things to help more people come home from there jobs. Love you man.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:49 am
For all Team! I think everyone is asleep. There must be alot of people going to work in the morning still. Your freedom day is coming soon. Faith everyone, this is just the beggining. Stay possitive, stay focused, and pray for our leaders. This isn’t, won’t, and can’t be easy. Nothing great ever was, but it’s worth it. Pray for quixtar they need our prayers too.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:58 am
quixtar or amway……we are people and we have rigth’s…we go whit orrin to build a million leaders
August 16th, 2007 at 5:07 am
If you are confused or have questions you need to go check out
http://forums.freetheibo.info/viewtopic
See post #598
August 16th, 2007 at 5:47 am
I would like to add my two cents worth to the controversy. I think I can provide a different perhaps unique perspective. We are Diamond Directs in the country of Japan. I am a American, born and raised in the U.S. We have been in Amway for 25 years and are very proud of that. Here in Japan the business is conducted quite a bit differently then in the U.S. or in many other international markets. When Japan opened it was not rushed into by everyone and their system . Because of that the business here developed its own unique style. We are much more focused on the products then I have seen in the U.S. One of the benefits of this is that we have an extrodinary renewal rate. In our personal group, that averages about 85% each year. We have some direct groups who are in the high 90’s flirting with 100%. From the start Amway denied the distribution of distributor created tools. There has been some erosion with this policy recently. We very much recommend to our people that they aquire Amway produced audio and video material and we also heavily promote reading programs of self inspirational material. We have never received one cent in profit from the sale of such items. Our income is all based on the Amway bonus system. Our lifestlye doesn’t match what I see in the U.S. which is really funded through tools. However, our lifestlye is a very good one.
We have lived in the U.S. after becoming diamond and were involved with our upline organization. Because of our level we were part of the inside. I have met Don, Randy, Billy and Chuck many times. On a personal level I thought very highly of them. However after a few years we decided to not associate with these groups any more and focus ourselves on our Japanese business with which I am quite more comfortable with and that I believe reflects the concept as created by Rich and Jay. We were turned off by the constant infusion of religion and politics into everything. We also found it to be to rigid for our tastes. We crossline pretty freely over here and yes that sometimes creates problems but overall more good then bad.
We are proud to be in Amway. And I for one am very happy to see the return to the name. We never left it here. When I see what is happening around the world right now I am very excited. The market in China and Russia is fantastic! They have no problem with the name Amway. For those of you I hear complaining about the return to the name I have this to offer to you. In Japan we have had problems like every market with those who have attempted to use people within the guise of Amway. There is some negative name association here too. Despite that our business is in a major surge right now. We have a number of new diamonds going into qualification and one special individual going into EDC and is on the way to Crown. I have no doubt they will make it. We ourselves will be new Double Diamonds within the next two years. All of this even with the negative name associaton. We just teach people how to handle the situation. I have discovered that if someone gets blown out because some prospect had a negative response to Amway then chances are pretty good that something else would of gotten them anyway.
Anyhow, I’m not sure if my contribution to this discussion will mean much to those who are firmly entrenched in thir positions. Just wanted you all to know that the Amway business will handle this Tempest in a Teapot and is doing quite well.
Thank you,
Gerald & Miyako McNiece
August 16th, 2007 at 7:29 am
It’s kind of hard to market a product that isn’t competitively priced.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:19 am
Part 2
I though I should clarify my statement about our focus on products. Especially with all the comments about pricing. During all the functions we attended in the U.S. rarely did we hear much said about our products. Sometimes as an afterthought. It appears that the organizations are content to create a buyers club and expect people to teach themselves about the product. Something we noticed wasn’t done. Sure, Amway products are more expensive and price wise don’t compare well with Walmart. But, do you really know anything about them? Do you know how or why they are superior to what you can buy off the shelf? I doubt it. We take the time to educate our IBO’s about the products. How to present them and why they are better and why if used correctly are very competitive in price. And even when they are more expensive they perform much better. Nutrition with Nutrilite is our primary focus. Yes, you had better learn about them if you want someone else to use them. What is this problem with selling? As Rich DeVos said we all sell everyday. Ideas, concepts, rules for our children etc. Once a year we bring 40-50 people from Japan to the U.S. Our first stop is in California where we go to the Nutrilite farm and other facilities. We also have fun stops and on to Ada, home to Amway. I would challenge all those who complain about the pricing to demonstrate that they actually really know anything about the product. Nuff said!
August 16th, 2007 at 8:24 am
Orrin Woodward and Chris brady as well as the rest of the people that Alticor/Amway/Quixstar(same difference) “terminated” are geniuses and only if said company would realize that I think the world would be a better place. Thay are about making a DIFFERENCE!!, Building a COMMUNITY!!, Which is something i have yet to see any multi million or multi billion dollar company try to accomplish. I mean seriously make a difference to help change the world. That IS what the TEAM values are, it’s right there: Together EVERYONE Achieves More!!!
Open your eyes to the possibilties, that’s they have done and that’s what they will continue to do. Thus leaving archiac companies of the past in the past.
August 16th, 2007 at 8:52 am
Hey Founders Platinum under Don Wilson, sounds like the Quixtar staff fed You their garbage and now You believe it!! Maybe the money means more to You than Principle. Bottom line, Quixtar will soon be AMWAY and if You don’t stand now, Your business is as goood as OVER!!
August 16th, 2007 at 10:59 am
The Team leadership, led by Orrin Woodward and Chris Brady, have embarked upon the first true steps in leading the consumer rebellion. The first chapter has begun and what an exciting time awaits his loyal IBO’s who will always have their backs. Requesting that Quixtar make pricing more reasonable for retail sales has gone upon deaf ears long enough. Orrin and Chris have visions of going to a million people and beyond. The only way to logistically obtain this goal is to severe ties with the constrictors who have squeezed us long enough. Team IBO’s will continue to developing leaders through our educational system and link up with a new shopping portal that will be far more superior in pricing and compensation. Orrin and Chris wouldn’t leave without having something in place. In the months to come we will see just what that is and then let the history lesson begin in building a true community of loyal shoppers online in which appropriately priced goods and services flow. Let us experience the true meaning of free enterprise by releasing us to the path of freedom.
The following is a little dity to the tune of ” Leaving on a Jet Plane”
After all the blogs and negative news
Excessive costs we’ve paid our dues
We hate to severe ties and say good-bye
But the time has come our leaders say
We’re moving on to a better way
Already we’re so happy we could cry
So release us and set us free
To pursue our dreams with integrity
The future looks so promising to me
(chorus)
We are leaving on a depth plane
Don’t think that we’ll be back again
Oh, we can’t wait to go!
August 16th, 2007 at 11:17 am
# 646 - Good one!!
August 16th, 2007 at 11:20 am
More proof, right here in this blog! Gerald McNiece #641 & 643 from Japan–Amway Japan does not allow the use of any outside training system other than that issued by Amway. (Note: Amway China does not pay bonuses on anyone you recruit into the business. You get only a sales commission on your own sales.)
If you plan to stay with Amway, check out the China and Japan business models. That is what is planned for the U.S. If you don’t like that, if you don’t want to be a “sales person” earning just a straight commission for the rest of your life, get out now.
David #604 — great lesson. The plan is obviously to make the business so tough that anyone with a brain and ambition will quit. Any remaining IBOs can be easily convinced that the “new changes” will be better for them.
August 16th, 2007 at 11:22 am
#641 Gerald in Japan
Why BSM’s and Why a SYSTEM
I appreciate your perspective on doing business in Japan under the Amway name. That helps us in the US.
I want to offer my perspective on US business and BSM’s. Feel free to correct me on my assumptions of Japanese culture.
Previously I worked 5years with a Japanese mnfg company in the US. I was initially shocked by the Japanese business practices: they usually always dealt with Japanese suppliers of component parts; and Japanese production equipment; then sold their manufactured product to Japanese/US auto makers. Then I came to understand a little of the Japanese communal culture that they are very commited to their community. Toyota has taken this and applied it in a SYSTEM. Countless worldwide companies have migrated to the Toyota Production SYSTEM. It is efficient, lean, creates Loyalty of workers and consumers. It is duplicatable, it leverages economies of scale. They have a long term approach to business, community and relationships.
In the US, the communal aspect is very different. We came from the esscense of rebellion; first for Spiritual Freedom(Puritans), then for Economic Freedom(1776 D of I) from British tyranny.
In the last 20 years, whatever Family values we had have been eroded by the MEDIA. The result is mass migration away from traditional Family structures. Neighbors don’t know neighbors. Therefore, when we show the business plan in the US we don’t have the family name to stand on because it is not known that we can be trusted. Therefore, we must do more to earn that trust than I think other cultures do. The ONLY way to do that is to become more relateable to our propects and downline; therefore the need for success and self improvement principled information is paramount. So why not have a SYSTEM to support that aspect of the business.
I just got off the phone from someone in my downline that by this years end will have erased $1.5 million in debt in 4 years because of the BSM tools in our system and the thinking he has gained from them, NOT FROM ANY MONEY from Quixtar/Amway. I have many other stories of debt reduction, marriages being saved, quit smoking etc. because someone read a book, listend to a cd or sought association/mentorship. If we improve ourselves we can help others improve themselves and that is what Amway was originally founded on.
I agree, this is a DIRECT SELL business and you must know your product. A good SYSTEM will be a balance of both of these and provide a product base that is competitive in the market place. The AMWAY branding is a Death nail to the majority of US born citezens unless they have strong family ties to countries like Korea or Japan where Amway is more namebrand.
I hope this helps. Please respond to correct any wrong assumptions I may have made.
August 16th, 2007 at 11:29 am
Since I was young I have always been told “it doesn’t matter if you win or lose but how you play the game”. I will stand by our TEAM leaders because they have always stressed and stood up for what is right and honorable. That alone speaks volumes. DEFEND THE SHEILD
August 16th, 2007 at 11:30 am
A million distributor army or TEAM? Do the math for this or any MLM venture. Approximately 300,000,000 people in the USA. Say 2.5 people per family = 120,000,000 families. 120,000,000 families divided by 1,000,000 IBOs = 120 families (clients, members, ibos or whatever they will be called)per each IBO in the organization if every family in the country uses the product.
The numbers just don’t work for a large number of people to make money in these ventures. That is why you constantly have to cycle new people in because the bottom levels won’t make money and won’t stick.
August 16th, 2007 at 11:34 am
To “Founders Platinum under Don Wilson Says” what are you on crack, I hope you think that Don Wilson, Randy Haugen and Billy Florence have more intelligence than that. Maybe you should read the statement that came from YOUR organization…
http://forums.freetheibo.info/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=24
I believe that these men are honest and very great businessmen. They are not going to do something like you are stating, they were looking out for the growth of YOUR team. Did you not get the point that they did not want to build an AMWAY business. Go read the article and think about it.
August 16th, 2007 at 11:36 am
For
rpr7768 and HSW,
First of all please don’t even pretend to think you know about my life and the wonderful hope that I have in it everyday. I can’t even believe you assume something like this about someones life. My life is a wonder everyday and I live it to the fullest.
As for being angry…I am not…I am saddened. I am saddened for the need to treat patients, as I have several, that have left Quixtar AMO’s and lost everything. One almost committed suicide because of the loss of money, home and family. Oh, they all tell what wonderful lessons they learned at first and they learned to become a great leader, etc…but they never made any money…in fact they lost most everything. And when they had to quit because of no more money to go to functions, etc. You so called wonderful, close knit business that became like family to them no longer wanted to have anything to do with them. I am sad that you feel proud to be part of those kind of people.
I am not angry…just sad. I’ve seen the people that you call the losers/quiters, the ones that tried their best, became one of you…just to see them ignored when they no longer could keep buying those tools.
Just SAD.
August 16th, 2007 at 11:50 am
Hey guys - I will be brief in the interest of adding to what is already a very interesting and lengthy blog.
I will simply say I’m on the Team. The REAL reason the Team wants out is because the Team does not like the new business practices that Amway will enforce. I realize Amway doesn’t like Team’s business practices either. What are these new business practices? Well, for one, Amway is dissolving all leadership training systems other than the one they themselves own. In case anybody touts that the Team system was unapproved, please realize the Team had to get their training materials approved by Quixtar before they could use them. As to the issue of stacking - the Team has always been trained to build depth through referrals. It’s much faster than “stacking” strangers on top of one another. If you were to talk to the people in my organization, they can tell you who their sponsors are. Also, Amway STILL approves depth building, but they will not train you to build depth the way the Team does. They will teach you to have all of the people you sponsor on different legs. This creates some uneasy competition between friends. I’ve built using this method, and it isn’t fun. The Team, and every other leadership organization out there is basically going to be dissolved. That’s not the business system I signed up for, so I am leaving with the Team. I don’t care who provides me with a product. Just give me something that I can go mainstream with. Besides, if the Team delivers on lower prices, who wouldn’t want that? Look at it logically instead of emotionally. Thanks.
August 16th, 2007 at 11:58 am
Reply to 651. The numbers do workout. You’re also not counting population growth. This country is going to increase in population by 100 million people over the next decade. Please realize that there is an unlimited amount of wealth out there. You just have to be creative enough to go get it. Also, who said we’re staying in the United States? That one million people includes the entire earth, not just the United States. Last I checked, 1 million doesn’t even come close to 7 billion. Sounds like you’re still worried about saturation. Have you checked the job market lately? Don’t you think it’s pretty saturated? The average American make $35,000 per year. Very sad.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:12 pm
#646 Kurt McQuesten: Love that song!! I’m hoping you haven’t copyrighted it already, cuz I’m gonna make a dozen copies and pass ‘em out at a sing-a-long tonight! Let me know if it’s a problem. You’ll find me at the TEAM Leadership in Flint this Friday, and at the TEAM Seminar in Saginaw this weekend, buying cds, books, and TEAM apparrel for the flight!
Go, TEAM, go!!!!!
August 16th, 2007 at 12:33 pm
WOW! Thanks #598 for leading us to the page with the whole truth straight from the source, rather than this here rant page . I’m done listening to negative and unfortunately there is plenty here from the anti-Team FOLKS
. That says it ALL! I’ll copy and paste that for anyone who missed it. #598 just_the_facts Says:
August 15th, 2007 at 10:08 pm
http://forums.freetheibo.info/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=24
DEFINITELY AN IMPORTANT READ!!!
Favorite quote in that page: “…Perhaps Chris Brady said it best when he stated recently: “I owe these people the business I told them they could achieve when I brought them in and that is not possible with the new organizational changes….”
Now there, my friends, is a MAN of character.
August 16th, 2007 at 12:33 pm
#651 Gary: You want me to “do the math for this or any other MLM venture”. You say there are only “120,000,000 million families” in the US to work with. Okay, I’ll take your figure. Now, how about YOU do some math, Gary??? Try adding up the populations of Canada, US, Bahamas, Puerto Rico, Mexico, Costa Rica, Argentina, Brazil, oh heck, let’s just say the whole Western Hemisphere, PLUS Ireland, England, Scotland, Australia, New Zealand, Philipines, Poland, Japan, …. Uh oh, Gary, looks like were getting close to a BILLION families to try and get in our businesses somehow!!! I know lots of people with family ties to lots of other countries all over the world. Don’t you, Gary???….
Hey, all of you anti-TEAM genuises with your chronic bad vision, please JUST WAKE UP!!!
August 16th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
Go, TEAM, go!!!!
August 16th, 2007 at 12:42 pm
As an IBO of a few years, and newly joined member of TEAM, I am disturbed the most by the reaction and statements from both sides. From the start of the business, I was told I was part of a large community of people working together. All I see now is dissension, anger, and worst of all badmouthing from fellow IBO’s about each side of the argument. No matter that the overall effect for all of us is to make it more difficult to improve and advance our business. No matter that the principles we teach are being flushed away in the squabble. I hope that all of us can just continue to work together, wait for all the dust to settle, and move forward in a positive way to continue our dreams of financial freedom. My wife and I love you all and we pray for the best.
August 16th, 2007 at 1:13 pm
My mother makes at least 50 retail customer sales per month. So don’t give me that “products are not saleable” stuff. The products are saleable.
Plain and Simple: They broke their contract, their contract was terminated. If ANYONE breaks a contract there are consequences. They were given the opportunity to correct their practices and keep there contract, but they preferred to remain crooked. I am glad to see that Q is showing some backbone in cleaning out the dirty elements soiling it’s reputation.
It is to bad that some people have there heads so deep that they can not see past the blinding god-like appearance of the ’so called’ great 8.
For all those TEAM people that have not been blinded, good for you. You are true leaders and not followers, and leaders that keep their egos in check will go far.
August 16th, 2007 at 1:21 pm
Hi, Im an IBO working for platinum at UK.
I dont understand why you guys think that there will be damage on quixtar. USA is just 6% of the worlds population, arlready I have businesses io 7 countries and many more international biz including indonesia. I guess, if someone wants to leave, they will find any excuse to leave. By all means, why isnt quixtar supposed to say what it feels??
this is a blog and a blog is like a diary where you state what you feel..
whare were you guys when webraw and amquix was condemning quixtar? you guys didnt turn up to support, but now only because team has split you want to bad mouth quixtar. down south in the autralia this has already happened. what team is planning now was already done as OMEGATREND. go do some research, I am going to build worldwide and be an IBO as a Diamond soon and my Name will be on the Achievers wall at Alticor headquarters in ADA michigan. Done deal!
August 16th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
Alright, this is my last post for at least a while, I PROMISE! (getting addicted to blogging)…
Whether you are for or against what has been going on, you will find this link VERY interesting indeed. It is a true insider’s account of the current events. He is a member of the IBOAI board, so this is right from the “horse’s mouth” so to speak… I welcome thoughts on this post…
Drew
August 16th, 2007 at 1:36 pm
Oops, forgot to post the link… here it is…
http://forums.freetheibo.info/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=24
August 16th, 2007 at 1:57 pm
That’s just great Quixtar. Nice retaliation measures.
What’s next? Suspending IBOs deemed to be guilty by association? or line of sponsorship?
Boy, wouldn’t that be a great way to avoid paying year end bonuses.
And what about the surviving LOS? What are you going to do, give them to some ‘loyal’ IBOAI member? If that isn’t ‘pilfering’ the LOS, what is?
And why aren’t the issues being resolved or even discussed before the hatchet crew get sent in.
Have any of the courts even had a chance to make a determination in any of the many legal proceedings Quixtar has filed in the last 3 or 4 days? Or has everything Quixtar has done been ‘ex parte’- without any opportunity for response form the other side.
So much for Quixtar’s famed dispute resolution procedures. I guess when money is at stake, that all goes out the window.
This really is disconcerting for every IBO. PLAY BALL OR WE’LL TAKE YOUR IBOship. Afterall, they don’t really ‘terminate’ it… they take it and give it to someone ‘loyal’ to the Quixtar team.
August 16th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
#658 - DanO322 - Regarding my math - I understand my example was just for the US and there are umpteen countries out there. I have been to Mexico, Brazil and Canada and most of the people there don’t buy via direct selling and a majority are not capable of it financially. Most families in the US won’t buy that way either. Maybe I am shortsighted - but it comes from experience as a Q IBO for 9 years. I’ve seen Platinums and others leave the business because it wasn’t profitable. We weren’t part of TEAM though so maybe you are the exception.
I’m not trying to “Steal your Dream” just trying to get people to think rationally and critically as they would if they were getting involved in investing time, money and energy in a traditional business.
I hope you succeed in whatever you do.
August 16th, 2007 at 2:06 pm
“…a promising new future.” Under the AMWAY banner? Because they sold a few extra over-priced Double X to the Chinese during the AMWAY launch in that country so they think bringing back the dead in North America will be a “…PROMISING NEW FUTURE” Give me break! Change comes - the famous quote from a once very respected businesman with an incredible dream for a new industry called direct distribution: Rich Devos. Well, somehow down the line the senior management at that supply company known as Quixter really lost the notion that the way to propogate free enterprise is to change with the demand of the public and respond to their quality AND pricing needs. Alticor is a company that refuses to change. Like Rome, just before the barbarians sacked everything, they were confident in their ignorance and arrogance and thus refused to change or prepare for the new world that was growing around them.
I have a feeling that the outlet store in Ada is going to have a LARGE amount of stock in I LOVE AMWAY shirts with the big pink letters for $1.50 each for everyone who sinks when the ship goes down. Or, lol, Alticor could send them to everyone for free with an bonus shirt that says “I joined Amway to achieve my dreams, but all I got was this stupid AMWAY shirt and didn’t bonus!”
It’s sad, but all once good things must come to an end. Orrin and Chris are the visionaries for our industry and if put in charge of Alticor we would all have a business to be proud of, with incredible products at a competitive price! With or without - 1MM people will not be denied due to a product supplier!
August 16th, 2007 at 2:14 pm
#576 You summoned up the name change great here! Had a good chuckle over this. Very true!
I worked the “business” for over 10 years and reached the level of Ruby. I worked with Don Wilson and Randy Haugen and am very proud of my association with them. They were and are great men of integrity. Their number one concern the entire time I was in the business was for their group and the success of the group. They really did care. I left the business years ago and have since joined another MLM and have made more money with less effort than I ever made with Amway. I mean really…the compensation plan Amway/Quixtar/Amway??? was developed in 1949! How would you like to still be driving a car made back then. Things change, they evolve. It seems like that is what Don and Randy and the Team members have tried to convey to the half wits who are in charge in Ada. The leadership in Ada (and I use the word leadership sarcastically there) just keep burying their heads in the sand and keep making money off of the poor hard working MLMers who continue to chant “We have a dream!” It’s ok to have a dream and pursue it…but PLEASE…don’t follow blindly people who could really care less about you. That is why I left Amway and went elsewhere. I am very happy with my new company.
August 16th, 2007 at 2:26 pm
Now more than ever…The TEAM will set us Free!!!!
Go Woodward and Brady
We are behind you all the WAY!!!
August 16th, 2007 at 2:29 pm
#661 - Frisco Montez: If you and your friends really believe that this is about so-called “stacking”, then you are the ones, as YOU say, with your “heads so deep that they can not see”. The rule, which is nowhere written in the IBO Registration form or any of the material Amway gave me when I signed, is so incredibly inconsequential, it’s hard to believe that anybody with any brains thinks that it is the issue.
I’m happy for your mother’s brisk sales of soap and make-up to her friends. What about you, Frisco? How many new soap customers will you and your up/downline buddies have when Amway goes public?
Go, TEAM, go!!!
August 16th, 2007 at 2:38 pm
I am not in Quixtar, but I provide key services to many different organizations. Because of this affiliation, I have been following the events of the past several days closely in order to determine how it will affect my future relationship with these organizations. With so much rhetoric on both sides, it has been difficult to determine where the truth lies. Having said that, I have met Ron Simmons many times, not just through Quixtar, but through other business dealings. I have always known him to be fair, honest, and forthcoming. With that in mind, I am inclined to accept his version of the events as the most accurate and complete I have seen to date. I will continue to monitor this situation, and I’m sure many others in my position will do the same.
August 16th, 2007 at 2:38 pm
Dear Drew,
And you are suggesting?
That the reports by the company were made by people who were not there?
Why was the lawsuit immediately ready? Because the TEAM people went there to either get their IBO organisation handed to them on a platter, or to sue for it to be handed to them on a platter.
August 16th, 2007 at 2:53 pm
Amway? No Way!
Been there! Done that! Our kids HATE Amway , and we have been telling them this is not Amway for 7 years.
We will resign! We will not go back to Amway.
Founders’s Platinums -We went from 10,000 pv 9-98 to 2500 pv 9-99 and lost several hundred distributors in one year. Where was Quixtar’s help when that happened?
People HATE change, but more than that they HATE the sound of the name Amway!
TEAM has restored hope and we have accomplished more in 3 months with Team than in the last 16 years with Dex!
Part of TEAM 1,000,000! Go Orrin and Chris!
We will leave the desert with you! Lead us into the promised land.
August 16th, 2007 at 2:55 pm
Well it finally happened. Someone pulled the rug out from the other. Personally I am not happy with either quixtars terrible business or TEAMs elaborate scams. the people in MY “business” only care about themselvs and just want my money. Hopefully time will make the decision between quixtar and TEAM an easy one. Becasue I personally want to be on the side that wont dissapear in a year.
August 16th, 2007 at 2:57 pm
To #657:
Chris Brady owes it to people to be able to build a business? What is he giving them now? What products to sell? Systems and warehouses to deliver products and pay bonuses? To deliver new products?
You guys are so fond of comparing with Walmart, they also have a bunch of their own problems - people complaining they work for dismal wages and little or no benefit. Do you prefer that model?
Unfortunately we have seen over and over on the net the kind of heartache and destruction that has been left in the wake of TEAM, as described in posting #653 by Mary.
And that is why Team (of Destiny) had to be stopped. Fortunately for everybody, they made it easy and stopped themselves.
PS Why did TEAM change from Team of Destiny to Team? Perhaps of all the negatives associated with ToD? Because googling TEAM is completely anonymous?
August 16th, 2007 at 3:38 pm
#675 Piet
You say the “Team(of Destiny) had to be stopped”….and they “stopped themselves.”
I am not sure I understand. Quixtar has not shut off my IBO# Platinumship so please explain.
I wish Quixtar would make it that easy and Just Let Us Go. Perhaps the rhetoric and garbage from Quixtar/Alticor would be stopped.
Perhaps M. Gerber explains it best on sytems in The E-Myth book.
Or do you think Team of Destiny Legacy is more catchy then TEAM Legacy?
PLEASE, I BEG You, CONTACT QUIXTAR/ALTICOR OR YOUR DIAMOND AND REQUEST THAT THE TEAM BE RELEASED. LET US PROVE OURSELVES TO BE LIARS OR PEOPLE OF TRUTH.
August 16th, 2007 at 3:42 pm
#670 - DanO322: I will have plenty because I have been forthright and honest with my customers and downline. When I (and the rest of my family) show the plan I go through the history of A/Q. So they know who they are dealing with. All of my downline personally know me and all of there sponsors.
My Business Motto:
If you give an IBO a loyal customer, he will make a little side money. If you teach an IBO how to create loyal customers, then there is no telling how far he will go.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:04 pm
Piet Syrydom go read:
http://forums.freetheibo.info/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=24
this is why team is leaving.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:30 pm
I’ll reply to Piet’s posts. 672, and 675…
Yes, the lawsuit was ready. I’ve known for a while that Quixtar was changing back to Amway. Orrin and Chris obviously knew as well. It didn’t surprise me that it was ready. If you lead organizations that large, and you had a disagreement with somebody (please put yourself in those shoes for a moment) wouldn’t you have something ready if you thought something like this was going down? I’m truly sorry, but I don’t understand your first question on your reply post to me. If you want me to answer, could you please explain further? Thanks.
The point is this. Even if I had signed up and considered myself a loyal Quixtar IBO, I signed up for Quixtar. Not AMWAY. Now the company is changing what I signed up to. This will affect every IBO. The company is changing, so because of that change, the TEAM is saying they want the right to leave. That’s all.
No matter what side of the debate you’re on, Quixtar existed as a different name because the Amway name has been so tarnished. Now they are going back to the name that most people loathe.
By the logic that the company is changing, the old rules should no longer apply. We should have a time whereby we can leave if we want without being bound to a non-compete drawn up several years ago under a different company - that different company being Quixtar. Quixtar will cease to exist, so our non-compete should be placed on hold while the changes are being made. Does this make sense? I could make analogies, but I’ll refrain. I’m basically just saying that if the company is making such a drastic claim, whether TEAM is in the right or not, the INDEPENDANT Business Owner should have the right to review the changes, and if he doesn’t like them, leave since he was never asked whether he wanted this to happen or not. Does this make sense to anybody? I’m still working on my communication skills.
August 16th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
Interesting posts here. Greg #63, check again about the CR approval, it is on the tools.
I agree with those who suggest reading the lawsuit, you can’t know what you are giving an opinion about until you do. Terri #68, excellent post, well done. I agree with Alan #78, the Corp was unprofessional in the way they approached this in print. Bitterness on either side does not get much mileage. Emanuel #84, just a little drastic me thinks, even vindictive. There are points on both sides. My agreement is with Orrin and Chris (and others)for the most part, they took the high road in presentation. They did not just blurt out something publically, they went to the source. The Bible says, go to your brother, that was done. The brother threw them out rather than working on or addressing the problem that has apparently been addressed many a time by many an IBO. We will see what stands after the shaking. In these times, all will be shaken that can be shaken. Free enterprise is supposed to mean Free enterprise.
August 16th, 2007 at 5:03 pm
666 - Gary: Thanks for the good will response. I disagree, however, with your pessimism about foreign markets. Good luck in all your endeavors.
Go, TEAM, go!
August 16th, 2007 at 5:20 pm
#667 - HerelStran: Hope you don’t mind if I reprint this: “I have a feeling that the outlet store in Ada is going to have a LARGE amount of stock in I LOVE AMWAY shirts with the big pink letters for $1.50 each for everyone who sinks when the ship goes down.” I can just hear Homer DeVos when he read that. “Doh!”
That’s hilarious!!!
Go, TEAM, go!!!
August 16th, 2007 at 5:43 pm
Q/A Why are you sending e-mails to my down line without first informing the up line what you are doing. You are undermining the integrity of the LOS. I have Ibo’s calling me about e-mails I know nothing about. Do you realize what confusion you are adding to this process? What is wrong with you? Will you please refer back to some form of your prior self before it is too late to overcome the damage you are creating!!!
August 16th, 2007 at 5:46 pm
#612 Founders Platinum under Don Wilson
The resigned or terminated Leaders cannot legally communicate with you yet.
Be patient
Great things are Coming
Don’t lose out cause you’re scared.
Since the you-the LOS- are owned by Quixtar, they can communicate with you. Go to
http://forums.freetheibo.info/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=24
and www.fretheibo.com for some truth
Your Leaders have been honorable in their actions, Just look at the wording that started this blog. It shows Alticor/Amway/Quixtar is quite willing to slander, lie and spin the story.
P.S. In Quixtars new rule affective Sept.07 if you have 1 IBO breaking rule they can suspend your entire business. All your IBO’s forced to suffer over 1 ibo’s mistake. By the time 3 ibo’s make a mistake they can terminate you. Intersting and scary. I doesn’t matter what the rule is, it’s their form of handling it that is appalling
So unless you have Jedi mind control, operate a cult, or somehow remove mans free will
So, there goes the Legacy, the inheritance, the financial freedom! Why stay around to watch them take it all?
http://adatudes.opportunityzone.com/2007/08/14/Stacking-vs-DepthBuilding.aspx
August 16th, 2007 at 5:48 pm
YESTERDAY I called Quixtar to verify if I could use Team’s tools as long as I wasn’t stacking and people knew it was Quixtar- they said Team’s tools were very good and yes I can use what has been approved by the corporation. Today my upline gets an email saying that he had 24 hours to agree to stop using the tools and going to functions or they were going to terminate him- he’s platinum–
WHAT THE HECK IS THAT!! If I am following Quixtar’s stand on stacking then how the crap am I in violation?? If this truly IS all about stacking like you say!–
HOW CAN YOU TAKE MY BUSINESS AWAY?? when just yesterday you said they were good and I could use the approved tools! So is it just dependent on your mood at the time? If Dex or Britt or any of the other big wigs tick you off does that mean you can throw out anyone dispensing tools because you are seeing that the majority isn’t lining up with what you are saying!
What happened to INDEPENDENT business owner!! You have my _ _ _ _ _ in a vice and you can change your opinion daily!!
Hmmm so does that mean that all of us who said adios to Internet (Tool business associated with Dex’s kids) because of unparalelled greed have to go back to him because HE you approve of and OF COURSE the fact that the boys (who own internet)and are inherited crown ambassadors surely don’t have THAT MUCH pull to cause you to help with that flaming ship! I think the big wigs who have for 20 and 30 years are the ones crying in Quixtar’s ear- they know how much they have lost in tool and function business due to people leaving and if that accounts for a majority of their income I can see them having a great deal of pull with Quixtar
August 16th, 2007 at 5:58 pm
There will be great new innovations in the next few months from King Alticor. If you want to see one
1. Navigate to the top of this page;
2. Locate the Gurwitch Products (Laura Mercier) on the right hand side about 2/3 of the way down.
3. Click into their site and click on the shopping button.
5. Buy all the make-up you want. It really is much easier than clicking on Quixtar and going through all the #’s and passwords.
6. I can’t seem to find where they tell me how much PV I’ll make on it. I’m sure I’ll get some BV.
8. If you want to sell it retail, just double the price…its high quality and worth it.
I know I left some numbers out…Quixtar does that quite often it seems but at least they won’t let TEAM leave so we’re protected from competition. Except for Gurwitch,that is.
Craziness!!!
August 16th, 2007 at 6:32 pm
I support TEAM and all of it’s leaders. We can make a difference, one person at a time! We’re going to a Million people! DEFEND THE SHIELD!