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August 10th, 2007 @ 3:59 pm ET…
Just go, Team
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We terminated Orrin Woodward yesterday, along with several other leaders of his field organization, named Team. We’ll post our formal statement when it’s ready. Informally, here’s the story:
We terminated Orrin Woodward for philosophical reasons. We did it for legal reasons.
But the main reason we did it is because the way Orrin Woodward ran his organization was a disgrace to every person who’s ever tried to build a Quixtar or Amway business the right way.
We have fought to clean up the reputation of our company for years. We know that one of the biggest challenges our reputation faces is misrepresentation of the Quixtar and Amway businesses to others.
And over the last several months, it became clear to us that Orrin Woodward was a poster child for a long list of bad business practices that our critics hate about our company. The other leaders we terminated – including Chris Brady, Billy Florence, Don Wilson, Randy Haugen, Tim Marks and Chuck Goetschel – also showed they were unwilling to reform.
Not telling people they were signing up with Quixtar? Woodward would hide that fact from new Independent Business Owners as long as he could.
Making people think it was easy money? Same deal.
Telling people that Quixtar was merely a “supplier,” and not the company they were signing a contract with? Yup.
We’d told Woodward we had problems with the way he ran his business for years, and we worked methodically to bring those problems to resolution. We got ignored, we got lied to, and, boy, we got the runaround.
So in the end, yesterday, we tried to give him one last chance to reform.
He didn’t even want to hear his options. So we terminated him. And in return, he handed us a trumped-up, trash-talking lawsuit on his way out the door. In response, we have a temporary restraining order issued by a court that prevents him from looting the business as he seeks to take his act to a new company.
So he’s gone, and so are others. We are doing our best to repair the relationships Orrin Woodward damaged and protect the businesses of the people in his organization that Orrin Woodward betrayed. And we will continue building our business with thousands of people who know how to build it the right way.
We would say we were sorry to see Orrin Woodward go. But only if that were true.
Filed by: Corporate Communications
Posted in: Alticor, Amway, Quixtar, Transformation
August 14th, 2007 at 10:10 pm
Totally amazing! Owners of Amway, look at what your wrote. The more trash talking you do about this, the more you show that you are the guilty party. If in fact Mr.Woodward was operating his business in a ‘disgraceful’ way, why did you continue to make millions off of his organization? I think it’s once again ‘greed’. And yet you still want to take all of his organization and continue to make millions in the way you do business which could be deemed ’shady’. And the other men that RESIGNED not terminated from the IBOAI board. How dare you talk about them and Mr.Woodward like that. I take offense to it. If you had just a smallest portion of integrity and character as all of these men have you could stand tall and proud. Instead you stoop to such levels to bring shame to yourselves and your families. I will stand behind these great men and pray that God will give them guidance in battling you. If you let them go,why not let the whole Team organization go? We’re not true to you. We’re true to the Team that through their system as helped countless people grow and become better people. It’s not too late for you to get on system either. Stop the whining and complaining. You’re in the wrong - admit it and get on with life. God bless America
August 14th, 2007 at 10:23 pm
A real man follows a leader into battle; NOT THE CHUCK WAGON!
August 14th, 2007 at 10:32 pm
I recently became a IBO under the TEAM LOS. I was in Amway 15 years prior and let my distributorship stop, being out in the sticks.
I heard this plan from my sponsors son, his upline, and never heard Amway or Quixtar, during the whole presentation. However I did see similarities in the TEAM presentation and what was done in Dick Marks organization. I wanted to know more. I did my research and up until I heard Quixtar, the new Amway to me, I was reluctant to join. When I knew it was affiliated with the “old Amway” I wanted in.
I have my issues with TEAM, (I get irritated that they forget their history of Amway/Quixtar and arent proud to be apart of that tradition. I would think a Diamond lifestyle would have instilled a little pride in the company that provided the opportunity.)
I understand and appreciate the depth building, my old sponsor told me that before he passed away a long time ago.
You ask a 100 people what they think of Wal Mart or Exxon and a majority of the people will have a negative opinion. So what difference will there be if the name is changed back to Amway? As long as the product is shipped, and the checks are good why should I care.
However this little dust up sure has screwed up my plan to reach my dreams. I am not building a group with no place to go or a cloud of uncertainty, I have some integrity and this p*eing contest is delaying that plan.
Thanks, Orrin and Chris! I would like to hear what Jim Janz, Dick Marks and Dexter Yager have to say.
BTW what Orrin and Chris is rumored to want to do, happened 20 and 30 years ago. Just ask Zig Ziglar.
Now I get to hurry up and wait and plot and scheme till this sorts out and I get to make a decision.
August 14th, 2007 at 10:34 pm
I did some checking with the very FIRST IBO’s thie country had…Their words were many, but their focus was the same. Here are but a few of their thoughts:
They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin
The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself. - Benjamin Franklin
It is the duty of mankind on all suitable occasions to acknowledge their dependence on the Divine Being…we pray Almighty God would mercifully interpose and still the rage of war among the nations…[that] He would take this province under His protection, confound the designs and defeat the attempts of its enemies, and unite our hearts and strengthen our hands in every undertaking that may be for the public good, and for our defence and security in this time of danger. - Benjamin Franklin
It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people’s minds. - Samual Adams
The harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; it is dearness only that gives everything its value. I love the man that can smile in trouble, that can gather strength from distress and grow brave by reflection. ‘Tis the business of little minds to shrink; but he whose heart is firm, and whose conscience approves his conduct, will pursue his principles unto death. - Thomas Paine
Liberty is power. The nation blessed with the largest portion of liberty must in proportion to its numbers be the most powerful nation upon earth, and the tenure of power by man is…upon condition that it shall be exercised to…improve the condition of himself and his fellow-men. - John Quincy Adams
All men profess honesty as long as they can. To believe all men honest would be folly. To believe none so is something worse. - John Quincy Adams
Power may be justly compared to a great river; while kept within its bounds it is both beautiful and useful, but when it overflows its banks, it is then too impetuous to be stemmed; it bears down all before it, and brings destruction and desolation wherever it goes. - Alexander Hamilton
…In all our associations; in all our agreements let us never lose sight of this fundamental maxim—that all power was originally lodged in, and consequently is derived from, the people. We should wear it as a breastplate, and buckle it on as our armour. - George Mason
August 14th, 2007 at 10:36 pm
I’m not sure that my post will really matter in the sea of 1,000 posts, but here goes . . .
First of all, bad form Quixtar . . . it goes without saying — don’t even try to justify it, Simon (post 490). You and several other Quixtar supporters on this blog are doing everything to criticise TEAM, yet are ignoring the real facts of this lawsuit. Some of you need to wake up. The legal claims of Woodward and Company sould have you very, very worried. It appears that they have done their homework on this, and no matter what you think about them, you’d better not underestimate them. They have been underestimated over and over and have proven people wrong over and over again. I’m not going to count anyone out.
RESPONSE TO POST 456:
JDB, read the lawsuit. Team-approach apparently was developed to function in several ways. First of all, you change your buying habits (buy from yourself), you market the products, and you create communities and teams of people to do the same thing. Isn’t that exactly what Quixtar has always been about? What happens when the pricing makes it almost impossible to retail stuff? You’re left with the other 2. And oh, by the way, that makes it more like an illegal pyramid. It’s a very logical claim that they are making here.
It sure looks like Quixtar is lining their pockets and not passing any breaks on to IBO’s and consumers. THEY HAVE ADMITTED THIS. Some products are priced okay, and the Amway products are definitely good and last a long time. BUT what else are you going to buy? The food is outragious. The energy drinks are special, but who cares? I personally love them. I buy them, but few others want to get registered, go online, and spend retail money on our drinks compared to going to the store. And now I have to convince someone that this is a marketable business ownership idea that they can become involved in?
Don’t fool yourselves. If SA8 is your solution to the pricing issues, then Amway is definitely the way to go. By all means, tear it up. However, IBO’s beware. That’s a manufacturer, not a retailer. They make their money off of you.
I do agree with some of the TEAM members here. Time will prove who is standing in the right position here.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:12 pm
Talk about decepion. I joined quixtar, not Amway. Now you tell me I have no choice but to be Amway. I can se why no one wanted to use your name.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:17 pm
There are a lot of people quoting the ‘Law Suit’ as if it was complete fact. If fact, a law suit only gives one side of the story. Newspapers even print at statement to that fact at the bottom of a report of a law suit.
I court, the burdon of proof is on the plaintiff, not the defendent. They will have to have a lot of proof of what they are claiming, not just ‘their word’.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:19 pm
There is a lot of talk about integrity and following leaders to the grave. For years the higher pins have known and been part of the tool side business that generates huge profits for the diamonds and above. The company execs have known about it also and done nothing. The company execs and big pins have known that the way the business was being presented - as a buy from yourself and show others how to do the same plan - was illegal.
No matter how much you love and cherish these leaders they knew the business was flawed and did nothing to fix it and kept raking in the profits at the expense of the lowest level IBOs. Andy Andrews and the group of Diamonds in Florida tried to implement a fair plan to share tool money with all IBOs and Quixtar terminated their businesses. The big pins that stayed continue to make big money off of tools.
I was actively involved in the business and “system” for 5 years and I can’t believe I suspended rational thought for so long. I completely trusted people I didn’t know and defended them at all cost regardless of the facts.
I know there are people of integrity within the Quixtar business. Unfortunately, I believe most at the top have traded integrity for $$$$.
So don’t blindly follow these people. Check out all the facts.
Also, all those who follow the TEAM leaders to the new MLM - does everyone start at square one in the new business or will you be placed in a line of sponsorship with you know who at the top?
August 14th, 2007 at 11:20 pm
http://amwaynews.alticorblogs.com/2007/06/14/coming-soon-transformers/
for those of you who care about what is going to happen in the future.
August 14th, 2007 at 11:46 pm
I’m proud to be a member of the TEAM. All the “bad mouthing” aimed at Orrin, Chris and other leaders of the greatest leadership development organization in the world is completly unjustified. The bottom line is, product pricing is too high for competitive retail, and the Amway name is coming back. Neither one is acceptable. The men who were trying to do the right thing for all IBO’s are being slammed for it. I have seen many changes since joining, and all of them have been for the good. I trust the outcome of this problem will be a good one as well.
To resign from the positions they held for the reasons they did says it all to me CHARACTER and INTEGRITY!!!!! I can only hope to someday have the leadership qualities these men have.
I have learned more about being a good person since joining their organization than I ever could have without their help. We’re going to a million for all the right reasons…… Defend The Shield
August 14th, 2007 at 11:50 pm
First I’m curious why the lot of you aren’t out building your business instead of wasting time here complaining to deaf ears? Is this profitable to you? Is it solving anything? Are you all financially free? Ask yourself who is going to profit from this? I’d love as a business to take all of those bonus checks off my overhead. Who stands to lose the most here? I think we can all agree like them or not the terminated IBO’s who stuck their necks out for the rest of us are the only ones making a sacrifice. The overall request of the Team will benefit everyone. Would any of you complain about lower prices? Ask yourself the tough questions. The courts will decide who is actually doing legal or illegal practices. You can jump up and down and stomp your feet all you wish, but they have the final say. After that decision, you have a decision. Until then our time is best spent building relationships that will follow you where ever you choose to take our business. Until then I’ll be reading and sharing a message I believe in, helping others!
August 15th, 2007 at 12:08 am
Seriously? I am living in the year 2007 in the United States of America.Right? I am just checking. I thought this was the land of the free and the home of the brave? The land founded on dreams and THIS is what we spend our time doing? Trashing people. I understand that Amway was founded when two guys saw a great idea and thought they could make it better. The American Way-Amway. I like the thought behind that name. I don’t like the thought behind a web posting like this. This doesn’t represent the American Way I would like to be a part of. Come on- I don’t care how much you might not like the guy, is this really how you want to behave?
August 15th, 2007 at 12:10 am
Well three days have gone by and already there are over 500 entries on this blog. Everyone with an opinion. But tonight I had new people interested in joining my team. As Orrin said the last time I heard him, change is good - embrace it and move on. So I am going to help as many people as possible become leaders.
I’m setting the stage for my friends and family and my TEAM to be part of the community of a million. Each of us has to make our own decision about what is best for the future of our family.
THIS IS MY LAST ENTRY!!! May God bless you and yours in all that you do. Bye.
Bruce
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August 15th, 2007 at 12:17 am
My wife and I became IBOs in January of this year. We were excited about the possibilities that this business could provide for our family. However, we wondered, as everyone posting on this blog has wondered at one time or another, “How the heck am I going to be able to afford obtaining the PV sufficient each month to be able to bonus?” Redirecting spending is one thing, but when you have to sacrifice meals, and I’m not just talking about one a day replaced with a protein or meal-replacement bar, but 2 because all your money is tied up on OVERPRICED PRODUCTS. It was such a blessing to read the complaint provided by the Team. It was nice to hear it from big Diamonds in the business, men that have been applauded for integrity and diligence according to “Achieve.” I thought it was just me. I thought I was the only one that thought the mark-up was ridiculous. Now I see that every last one of us, Team or not, diamond or Silver believes that there are injustices in the product’s prices. Most people that we show the plan to are just like us. They have a dream. A dream of financial freedom. A dream of having more time with family. You take your prospect to their dream, and you try to get them to hold it while you hit them up with outrageous prices on items that they need to “Switch” in their homes. That’s what happened to us. We were going to take the world by storm. Nothing was going to stop us. Then we woke up and realized that we were still in corporate America in this business. We had no say. Bound by a bureaucracy that was padding its pockets with my hard work. Look, you can only hold onto the dream so long in this business. It’s just not working. The number one reservation I get is the prices. The number two reservation is this companies affiliation to Amway. So thank you Team. I don’t have to live and share a lie any longer. I’ll be checking out whatever you’ve got. Anything would be better. And look out IBOs, you might just be doing the same thing.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:42 am
As a Founders Emerald who has had a six-figure income from Alticor-owned businesses for many years, I find it sad but necessary that they had to take this action. When I said Alticor- owned businesses, of course I mean Amway, then Quixtar. We have also had the benefit of an income from BSM’s that helped offset business expenses such as travel, office, etc, and were always grateful for this. We have also been victims of Team’s solicitation and plundering of existing organizations, usually at the Emerald level and above. Their “fast-growing” organization seems to be made up primarily of groups that were built under other Diamondships
and then lured away by the promise of huge tool compensation programs. The closest analogy I can think of would be pirates, plundering and profiting from the efforts of others. Of course, no one forced those Emeralds to defect, but greed is a basic human weakness, and our business is really not as different in that regard as we would like to believe. I do believe that we attract (and develop) people of integrity, but have also come to the conclusion that Diamonds are to be honored for the work they have done in helping others to succeed, but not held up as paragons of exceptional virtue. They are after all, human. The model that I have seen repeated many times over the years often consists of a leader who eventually develops into a serious megalomaniac, over-revered by many, and now speaking on subjects that he or she has no business pontificating on about. Teach me how you built your business, but spare me the moral, spiritual, or political posturing, OK? Stick to your area of expertise.
Orrin and his posturing is so old, and I AM SO OVER THAT MODEL! I’m sorry that a number of people that I have long respected got caught up in this, but have a feeling that this is far from over. Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail, and the good work of many will not be destroyed by the ego-driven antics of a few.
We truly do have the ability and the opportunity to make a difference, one person at a time. Thanks for this forum.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:43 am
Hey all you loyal retailers out there, Robin Luymes in “The Real Quixtar Blog,” mentioned new products being launched in September “with a retail focus.” What on earth does that mean? Is it possible that maybe the corporation knows how difficult that is with the current product lineup?
Those of you claiming you have so much success retailing products crack me up! For one, I thought an IBO was more than a sales person. If I just wanted a sales job, I’d sell cars or Clinique or something way easier than the Quixtar offerings. I was attracted to Quixtar because of the opportunity to build a BUSINESS, not a job. A business that wouldn’t require me to be there for the rest of my life. A business that didn’t change the rules every other year.
IBO stands for — Independent BUSINESS Owner!!! What a crock.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:04 am
I am so very thankful for the Team leadership, especially the Woodwards and Bradys, who are willing to stick their necks out in order to improve our businesses. After reading the Alticor blog article and all of the Quixtar emails I have received, I can’t imagine what these Team leaders have endured and dealt with through the past few years. They are true champions. I appreciate them more than ever before and hope they continue their fight.
Quixtar products are overpriced and way too difficult for most people to retail. It’s very sad and disappointing that Quixtar wouldn’t listen to its own Diamonds’ concerns on this issue. The problem is definitely not new.
If Quixtar is so excited to see Team go and is so sure it will fail in any new (alleged) MLM, then why won’t Quixtar LET TEAM LEAVE???
August 15th, 2007 at 1:09 am
ALTICOR WAY TEAM APPROACH O-A FIND B
O O-B FIND C
O-C OOOOOO THEY ONLY GET 3%
? TEAM APPROACH WORKS AND THAT WHY QIUXTAR DOESNT LIKE US OUR WAY THE SIXTH PERSON GETS 3% PERSON A JUMPS UP TO 6% OR MAYBEE 12%
? ALTICORE WHO PROFITS MORE DURING
3% for months or TEAMS APPROACH 6%,9%,12% or even 25% helps the new IBO GET BIGGER REBATES BY BUILDING DEPTH THAT THE BOTTOM LINE QUIXTAR/AMWAY IS JUST HIDDING BEHIND THE GREED THAT IS EATING AWAY AT THEIR INTEGRITY / after how many decades you would think they would lower prices to create a more competative market share ? dont they understand compounding ! IGNORANCE LOWER PRICES MORE PEOPLE WILL JOIN RAPIDLY INSTEAD OF RUNNING FROM THE NAME AMWAY,NOW YOU HAVE THEM RUNNING FROM QUIXTAR AS WELL,(WITH THE IMPENDING TREAT OF THE NAME CHANGE ARE YOU GUYS THAT STUPID) IF IN FACT QUIXTAR LOWERED THEIR PRICES THE REAL VOLUME WOULD START TO FLOW THE PROBLEM IS YOU WANT UP FRONT LOADS ON IBO’S INVOLVEMENT WHICH SLOWS GROWTH BE REALISTIC TRY IT LOWER PRICES TRULY GIVE THE PEOPLE LOWER PRICES AND WATCH HOW MUCH PEOPLE BUY FROM YOU THEN OR ARE YOU TO SCARED??!!! “lets change our name to amway” are you kidding me !!! pure suicide even say the word amway and people run who just graduated five years ago much less people who have been in contact with alticors qoute retail or so called IBO price. if this company had any integrity left they would ask forgiveness for trying to take advantage of any more people on the product they claim to be proud of! if your so proud of the product stop talking about your renewed name and lower prices on the products to compete with current prices at retail cost if you even matched retail cost i would be impressed but your to scared to let your worthy items take the challenge!!!
August 15th, 2007 at 1:28 am
It is very unfortunate that greed, envy and pride have gotten in the way for a corporation as large as Alticor/Quixtar/Amway to not provide a more competitively-priced product line for the individual IBOs worldwide that even make Alticor possible. Whatever happened to Compassionate Capitalism? It is very unfortunate that the string of events that occurred last week with the resignation of incredible, wise and highly profitable leaders to Alticor like Orrin Woodward, Chris Brady, Randy Haugen and others. It is also unfortunate that greed is what will lead to the ultimate demise of the Alticor umbrella of businesses and their lackey Quixtar & Amway organizations worldwide that condone the effective establishement of pyramidic organizations where tenure, favortism and nepotism exist. People of integrity expect to be beleived and when they are not…they let time prove them right. I can’t imagine trying to be falsely filled with hope for IBOs in the next 18-24 months as they walk into the living rooms of North America and try to ’sell’ an ‘AMWAY’ business plan of incredible products, but cost so much that a mortgage is necessary to purchase them. If you want an example of ‘bad busines building’ then just watch what will happen to Alticor’s marketshare in the years ahead. Even the Chinese will eventually learn in their dark and censored culture that although the pills do what they’re supposed to - they just aren’t worth a month’s income no matter how much hope you have in the world. It is a disgrace to be an IBO with Quixtar after these actions and the time has come for the parent company to really do something for all IBO’s worldwide. It is also time for IBOs to unite as well and DEMAND better pricing for their products. The AMERICAN WAY is based on life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. AMWAY is based on offensive and obscene amounts of profit for a few at the sweat equity, hope and false security of dream accomplishment for millions. Wake up IBOs and do something about the business you love or step out of the way of 1 million lives changed through the Team.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:35 am
The integrity of the business is worth way more than the argument of the cost of ’some’ products.
In our LOS it’s made quite clear that the cost of the products are 1/3, 1/3, 1/3.
1/3 more, 1/3 same, 1/3 less.
What’s so hard to understand?
If you find it cheaper somewhere else then there’s no one holding a gun to your head saying you have to purchase the more expensive one, sheesh.
People get your heads out of your butts!
I’m also a long time distributor and have enjoyed the old tapes from Randy and such but seriously, what the heck were they thinking??
Why would they undermine the very thing that has been paying them millions??
Why not work WITH the corporation instead and actually find alternatives? The corporation isn’t stupid, they’ve always let products go that didn’t sell and replaced (for the most part) with alternatives.
This is not the first time the corporation has had to clean house and it’s sad that their hand has been forced once again.
I’m sad to see those distributors names involved but understand why the corporation had to do what it had to do; a testament to their integrity, yet again.
The question I have is, what happens to the LOS of members of TEAM want to remain with the Quixtar side? That’s a mess I wouldn’t want to deal with…
August 15th, 2007 at 1:52 am
DID YOU KNOW THAT QUIXTAR CHANGED THE NAME BACK TO AMWAY IN JUNE? IT IS ALREADY DONE.
AND QUIXTAR OWNS A COMPETING COSMETIC COMPANY THAT SELLS DIRECTLY TO THE PUBLIC… COMPETES WITH ARTISTRY?
SOOOO MUCH FOR A VOICE FROM THE FIELD…
August 15th, 2007 at 1:58 am
Regarding post #492 . I just want to bring into perspective what real Continuing Education costs in my little world which is a multibillion dollar industry.
What is wrong with people profiting with the “system” side of a particular business. As a dentist, let me give you just a little heads up of the enormous costs of state mandated (required to keep my license) continuing education is vs. TEAM continuing education (completely optional). Let’s take just one meeting I went to, and it is one of the less expensive, very good, ones. Here goes:
Think Pepe!!
Seminar ticket = $1000
Hotel for mtg. @ $200/night x 3 = $600
Lost production for 3 days = $9000
Still having to pay employee salaries = $620
Travel = $150
______________________________________
Grand total = $11,370
$11,370 X 500 dentists attentind = $5,685,000
SOMEBODY MADE A LOT OF MONEY OFF OF SOME DUMB DENTISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yet we don’t begrudge them and they share NOTHING in the way of profits with me. Once you get to a certain level, TEAM DOES! Build it to a certain level and you know what your profit sharing in the tools will be.
Whenever I buy a tool in my dental business it costs a lot of money. Whenever I buy a tool with TEAM, it benefits me in my Quixtar affiliated business AND my dental business! What a deal. . . and CHEAP! I could have been on TEAM’s system for 7.83 years before spending the kind of money I did for just 1 dental seminar! And I don’t go for the expensive ones either.
My eyes are bloodshot from reading all the posts here and honestly I couldn’t believe the downright nastiness of some. The fact of the matter is that NOT ONE of us posting here knows the complete story. Each side has their version and will defend it in court, and the truth lies somewhere between. I truly hope this has an amicable resolution for all of our sakes and our businesses. Because, for good or for bad, this not only affects Amway/Quixtar/Alticor but also TEAM and other affiliated groups, IBO’s, and the whole MLM industry as a whole. I hope it is resolved quickly.
post #488 - seems history is repeating itself doesn’t it? Interesting.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:58 am
I was an IBO for Amway and then Quixtar when they started quixtar. After 9 years of chasing a dream that included alienating myself from family and friends showing hundredds of 6-4-2 plans and buying my way to 1000pv we gave up. after being on the Team only a few months we passed anything we accomplished previously with amway or quixtar. I believe that quixtar is afraid of real men who won’t be bought or back down from thier threats. Orrin And Chris are a threat to quixtar like the Isrealites were to Pharaoh and just like Pharaoh quixtar will release the plagues on themselves and all their associates before they let them go!
August 15th, 2007 at 2:16 am
One of the things I remember from the amway plan is that you could build a legacy for up to 3 generations, they forgot to add that the corporation could decide to pull your ibo status just because you question thier prices. Thus taking the business you’ve poured your life into and giving it to the next ibo in line above you ( who may have never even showed a plan ). I wonder if Chris Bradys sponsor really earned what he just inherited ?
August 15th, 2007 at 2:16 am
I have noticed that throughout history it has been the one slinging the most negative that was wrong and was trying to deceive the masses. Attempting to sway others to their way of thinking. Instead of just presenting the facts as they are. Talk about a totally opposite direction from just last November!
Now I wonder what would have happened if…
Decisions to allow something like this are allowed from the TOP management and only they can put a stop to it and just state the truthful facts.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:22 am
Guys… Guys… Guys… and Gals. Why are you getting so emotional about this? The first time we were involved with Amway we owed the IRS $17,000 due to business practices our upline at the time said were valid… they were not.
On our second trip around the park we decided to focus on retailing. Many organizations are focusing on retailing as well and offering the “Tools” for free.
I don’t know the story about TEAM and I am fairly positive that they are honest people. You have to separate emotions from business. My personal believe is that most of the upline cronies are getting nervous about their tool business drying up… and they should.
My challenge is to those who feel offended is to think out side the box and creatively market your products for retail. The cost to do this business is the $48. and some marketing costs. Lets work together and make it happen.
OH yeah.. and Quixtar… Get rid of this “Non-Competition” clause. If someone wants to leave and pursue another MLM… Let them. It’s time to grow up.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:23 am
I’m a Team IBO for 8 months now,I’m not sure who’s right or who’s wrong nor do I care at this point.I can honestly say that if it were’nt for the Team’s system I would never have read a book (figured i’m paying for it might as well read em).I’m just a hard working fellow that got caught up with life and made some very bad decisions.The books that I have read have helped my life dramatically.I’m not making money that I can leave my job on Yet,but I do have a focus on where my life is headed.
thxs orrin and chris and other members of the team whom I mentor with.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:26 am
Oh what tangled webs we weave when first we practice to deceive and its all smoke and mirrors. Firstly to the Boys at Amway/Quixtar you so easily turn a blind eye to the goings on in many, many an organization as long as it serves your bottom line but let those insubordinates ask for more groul and the shit hits the fan. Whom do you think you’re kidding, what hypocrisy. If Power corrupts, ultimate power corrupts ultimately or so it goes. Your prices are at best a scam. To the Boys at TEAM, a Greek legend tells the story of Icherous who made wings of wax and feathers but because of pridefullness (one of the deadly sins) flew to close to the sun, the wax melted and poor Icherous fell to his death. Honesty and transparency go hand in hand you can’t have one with out the other. We have told the big lie ( that the prices are ok because the products are so good , horse puckies)but we all chose to fall into that trap. I heard nothing at the last major about a new MLM or plans to leave Quixtar ,half truths are lies . Leadership is about sharing the plan, no surprises
August 15th, 2007 at 2:32 am
# 428: No, Team won’t be able to tell you what the new products will be or how the money will be made as there is a non-compete clause and non-solicitation clause in their contracts, which is why there’s a law-suit..let them out of those clauses, and they may launch a new MLM - probably the biggest reason that the leaders were the ONLY ones terminated. Quixtar (the Corp. and by no means the people that build-they understand community because that’s what they build, albeit the really hard way - so hats off to them) probably didn’t expect such a loyal following. They probably didn’t expect it because they are a corporation that doesn’t build as IBOs; they are a corporation that makes money off the profits generated by volume created by the IBOs(communities). A Corporation that is capitalist in nature is profit driven. They see our IBO # and the volume that # generates. (They truly have passive income figured out).
It would be wise to stop while we are behind and wait for the legal outcome. People on TEAM are not guilty, but neither are those that built the Quixtar (width) way. It is the corporation that must be accountable to the people - ALL OF US. If it is found that the TEAM leaders where in breech of the rules, then they must be accountable to the people - ALL OF US.
I think it’s stupid that a group of adults - myself included continue to resort to this type of behaviour. Clearly none of us are using the best ’system’ of behaviour. Let’s have some class and wait for the outcome. Take some PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY and zip it.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:09 am
Alticor/Quixtar: You should read the book Good to Great by Jim Collins. You will see why with your current practices you will never be great. I wish the current top heavy corporate “know it alls” had half the integrity that Rich and Jay had. You do not understand what really makes the business work, and unless you do, you will take the this company too its grave.
The TEAM leadership represents some of the highest quality people around, that actually have integrity. Take a lesson here, they actually care about IBO’s. You see you guys at Alticor/Quixtar have forgotten the fact that this business is not about you, it is about the IBO, that makes you.
Your posted blog is a digrace to us all. Further proof that the leadership of Alticor/Quixtar has deteriorated significantly.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:30 am
I had refrained from commenting here until I see our dear fellow IBO Chaitanya shouting away his “I love Amway” slogans, so loud to the exclusion of others who also love the Systems as much, if not more, as they love Amway.
Chaitanya, if you enjoy being an Amway salesman, that is fine and wonderful. You will earn a great income (25% profit + up to 21% bonus), go Platinum and Incentive Trips.
Heck, you can even reach Ruby and then Founders Ruby Platinum just by selling Amway products alone! Without even a single downline!
However, like Jim Dornan once said, “It is not about what works, but will it DUPLICATE?”
If you want to sell products forever, do it and I am sure you have the blessings of all other IBOs, but please do NOT sprout the nonsense that the Systems are entirely unnecessary and negative.
Where would Amway be today if not for the Systems? Let us see, if ALL the Systems pull out of Amway/Quixtar worldwide today, and all IBOs are required by Amway to sell their products without business support materials or profiles of success, functions etc. where would the company be in 10 years’ time? You would like to know? Just look at CHINA.
Oh, I forgot to mention, there are pseudo “Systems” in China too… where they attend seminars outside of the country and speak about motivation and network in a hush hush manner.
Possibly like you, I have been retailing Amway products for FIVE YEARS, many times pulling a TROLLEY of Amway products along to conduct product demos - WITHOUT a car, taking crowded public buses, day in day out, night in night out. Have you done so?
If so, then you would know that it is NOT a duplicable experience. None of my customers wanted to do what I was doing. They were scared of my “lifestyle” - peddling Amway products everywhere.
Now, a good friend from a System once told me this, so hear it: “Building an Amway business without the System is a Curse.”
I heartily agree.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:36 am
I totally agree with #74. Allen is right about Quixtar! In all these years of being an IBO Quixtar, has not once stepped in and help me build my business, have mentors come and mentor us, and be there when we needed someone to take us by the hand and step by step. TEAM has and they have gone beyond to make sure that we get what we deserve and the best! It’s sad to see a corp. like Quixtar say all that negative stuff about Orrin and Chris Brady…you call that class!!!
All I know is that we are following 2 most incredible leaders and for them to step up with the 8 other leaders for the cause and the TEAM, that is huge…Quixtar won’t do that b/c they are all about products…moving products that are overpriced. TEAM has a system that change lives, teaches us how to deal with people, make marriages work, how to have love and harmony, edification (what you lack), etc. What does the Quixtar system do? Focus on products..you want to make a difference in a million peoples lives…TEAM is the way to GO!!!!!! Orrin and Chris you guys are men of Integrity. We will follow you guys to the end and we will pray for you guys!
August 15th, 2007 at 3:42 am
This is ridiculous! It’s so childish!! I just can’t believe Quixtar would say something like this to another Organization. It’s not like Quixtar is innocent behind all this. They can sit there and blame Orrin and Chris for their faults, mistakes, being hypocrites, etc…but what about Quixtar. I’m sure they have flaws too!
“Let he who have not sinned cast the first stone?”
August 15th, 2007 at 5:10 am
If Quixtar were truly interested in making sure that “stacking” was not being practiced, why didn’t just simply send out an email announcing the concern, just as they so easily mass emailed the teams about them terminating the IBO’s? Communicating after the fact was bad business practices. They were not very good at communicating the name change to AMway either. It could have been posted under “what’s new in business” on the website…but no, another company broke the news(businesswire.com). They seem to be shrouded in secrecy. If they were wanting to be as “above board” as they tout, why didn’t they give reasons for terminating Diamonds that have been with the corporation for 30+ years. The corporation changed the rules on their top sales reps, right before the bonuses were to be paid. I wonder if the partner stores know that they just “terminated” the top producers for the company.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:17 am
#488
Thanks for the history lesson. Well done! You will see that history repeads itself.This is the merge of a new area.
#493
Good math! But read #429 and my comments in #442. Can you imadgine how these tools will support the personal groth of a million? Do you think there will be a positive change in how people think and act by then? And the profits actually go to the once that are out there paving the roads. Not the once that are just sitting on an old pin.
#490
Nobody is left behind Simon! What you experience right now is a wave that will not only benefit those with TEAM. It will reflect positively on the whole retail industry. Can you imadgine how successful business would be possible today if there wouldn’t be the model of franchising? You will benefit from this change. It doesn’t really matter which company you are connected to in the future. It’s a new game.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:43 am
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August 15th, 2007 at 6:45 am
It is ovious Alticor has all lost touch with reality. We live in a society of discount shopping and the internet. HELLO!!! anyone home?? Walmart, ebay etc LOW prices. Quixtar must change!!and I dont mean their name. Come off your high horses boys, “AMWAY” is the plague!! have you been out on the carpets of america? I really doubt it!! Just the whisper of the “A” word and your prospects eyes roll back in their head!! Open your eyes, the negative stigma surrounding the AMWAY name will never be reversed, it is preprogrammed into prospects from birth. The reason TEAM dont mention Quixtar, is many have logically linked it to the plague, AMWAY!! Lower your prices, dont change the name and get your egos in check, you are putting the business careers of thousands on the line. WAKE UP!! your behavior is delusional!! Woodward’s character and integrity shines true, its all about the team.
August 15th, 2007 at 7:07 am
I was very shocked to hear the names of some of the peoples involved in this whole situation. I was, at one time, in one of thoes lines of sponsership. It saddens me to see the pain and grief that will flow so very far from this whole thing. I know that Alticor, Quixtar, and Amway will go out of their way to help all thoes others involved in the downlines of these people. It is good to know however that the Corperation was and still is on top of the situation. They have always been there to watch over, protect, and reach out to any IBO’s needs concerning their busnesses. So…. thank You Alticor and all for protecting thoe other IBO’s and working so hard to maintain the excelent integraty for all the rest of us.
August 15th, 2007 at 7:18 am
So how come TEAM is the fastest growing group,highest registration rate, and highest pv per ibo ? its a fact.find out why.
And all you loyal to quixtar, ,,they are bringing back the amway name! have fun with that.and by the way, when did quixtar ever show the plan for you,build depth for you,ever sponsor one person in your group?
60% of people in quixtar never sponsor 1 person! 90% never hit 1000pv! both of those facts are not the case in TEAM! in the last 8 months with team i have acomplished more than in the last 8 years without. so stay tuned ,and join the team and be profitable in 5 months and grow every month after.
August 15th, 2007 at 8:19 am
So many affected!!!
What about all the books and tapes that have been read over the years? What about our children? and grandchildren? We have been in this business since 1981. This hurts a lot of people. You need to sit down and forget the pride and work this out before the news media get a hold of this.
Praying for a fast solution.
August 15th, 2007 at 8:20 am
I am still trying to find out how TEAM is going to earn revenue in future?
What other commodity are they going to sell? Leadership training?
August 15th, 2007 at 9:14 am
Quixtar has conviently had ecelerate probloms this morning and no one has received their bonuses
how convient for them hugh. I just dont think we can trust quixtar anymore. They said they are working on a internal problom . i wonder what that could be.
August 15th, 2007 at 9:30 am
If someone takes the time to evaluate the information that is currently available from both sides, it is amazing to me that, according to the complaint filed against Quixtar/Alticor, the majority of the IBOAI Board resigned and joined the lawsuit.
It appears that Quixtar then quickly replaced those Board members only to put out a blast email to all IBOs that the IBOAI Board fully supports Quixtar’s position.
I guess Quixtar is banking on IBOs not being intelligent enough to read the information available.
I would also agree that everytime the Amway (American Way) name is brought up to anyone, it receives a very negative response and a long discussion of prymid structure so that those at the very top get extremely rich (say in the 4~6 Billion Dollar range as stated in the complaint). Chainging the name of the Quixtar corporation to Amway (which is a totally separate corporation with the same parent company) would be detrimental to the building of any new businesses (i.e., adding IBOs). That would result in those already in Quixtar making very little money (as reported on the Quixtar site, the average IBO only makes $115/month) while the top continues to profit well beyond manufacturing and distribution costs.
August 15th, 2007 at 10:21 am
ALTIOR OR AMWAY OR QUIXTAR,
FIX THIS ISSUE WITH TEAM AND OTHERS. WE LOVE THIS BUSINESS, BUT NEGATIVE PRESS IS NOT ADDING MORE VALUE TO NEGATIVE SKEPTICS. I HAVE LOST MORE PEOPLE DUE TO NEGATIVE THEY READ THAT WAS NOT TRUE SINCE PEOPLE WERE NOT ABLE TO GET INVOLVED OR GO ON FAITH TILL THEY COULD SEE FOR THEM SELVES THAT THIS WAS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. FIX IT PLEASE. SLOW GROWTH IS BETTER THAN BACKWARD GROWTH RIGHT. NOW FOR AMWAY SERIOUSLY IF YOU GETTING THAT MUCH FLACK LISTEN TO THE IBO’s.
August 15th, 2007 at 10:58 am
I for one am excited. When I joined I was told this was not Amway. I would not have started if it was Amway. Now that I am an IBO and know how everything works and with the internet delivery I can say I was wrong.
With that said. With the name change from Q to A, people like me (my old me) will not join and will not listen or take the time to listen. When Orin and the GREAT 8 start the new MLM I can be honest with PEEPs that this is a new business and they can get in on the ground floor. People like me will start just for that shot.
I AM EXCITED
August 15th, 2007 at 11:00 am
Last time I checked we live in the land of the free. SET THE TEAM FREE!!!
August 15th, 2007 at 11:03 am
WHAT EVER THE ORRIN, CHRIS, BILLY, DON, RANDY AND CHUCK HAVE ON AMWAY IS BIG… CHECK OUT THIS LEGAL MOVE AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN?
http://home.businesswire.com
August 15th, 2007 at 11:08 am
Hey Amway, did you a get a chance to visit any of TEAM’s 113 Open Meetings last night. Mine in Southfield was packed-out and it rocked! People were fired-up!!! Your obnoxious, underhanded, low-rent emails to all of us TEAM IBOs apparently didn’t work. Uh oh, Amway, it looks to me like Orrin and Chris built a pretty good “B-type business”.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:10 am
I have been an IBO with the Team for over 18 months. Everything that was told to me has been proven to me. When I was shown the plan, I was told of both Orrin Woodward and Chris Brady. I was told of their good character and moral values. They are an inspiration to people. It is refreshing to find people who do what they say. We have as IBO’s been told that the Consumer would have a voice in their own futures. These wonderful people have drew the line in the sand and said “Enough is Enough”. They have tried for years to get Quixtar to lower the prices. If they don’t want to lower the prices, then “Just let us go” and we will find someone else to be that part of our business. Quixtar is a world class organization and that is what is told as we show the plan for our business, but what must be noted, is that we “HIRE” them to be that part of our business. When you “HIRE” someone, then you should also be able to remove them from your business. Quixtar has a lot to lose as we continue to grow. If we as the Team have another shopping portal that has lower prices, Quixtar would have to lower their prices to keep their business. They don’t want to do that as this would lower their profit. I don’t think any IBO from any organization would mind if the prices were lower.
Our Leaders of the Team are standing up for all people. We have a statement HAVE FUN MAKE MONEY AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE. Orrin and Chris and the rest of our Leaders are standing up for us the common man. I am proud of them, and I am going to follow them. When was the last time that your Leader stood up for you?
Don Fallis
August 15th, 2007 at 11:19 am
The BEST example of Quixtar’s over priced products is the Nutrilite Ocean Essentials products… The Focus 425 which is sold on page 48 of the Choices catalogue for Retail $69.35 and IBO cost of $55.75… is purchased from a company located in Halifax Nova Scotia called Clear Water Fisheries and re-packaged/re-branded under the Ocean Essentails/ Nutrilite brand. If you go into their store in Bedford, these ‘EXACT’ products are being sold for $14.95 CDN. Hummmm… over-priced? just a little… perhaps the packaging is loaded with 35% of your daily recommended omega-3 intake. Sounds fishy!!
August 15th, 2007 at 11:24 am
Sam Walton quotes from Made In America;
- I knew we were on to something. I knew in my bones it was going to work. But at the time, most folks were pretty skeptical of the whole concept.
- I have always been driven to buck the system, to innovate, to take things beyond where they’ve been.
- The truth is when the Butler Brothers folks turned down my idea, I got a little angry, and maybe that helped me decide to swim upstream.
- Don Soderquist, past president of Ben Franklin, then past ceo of Walmart; He was up in Chicago trying to convince our officers to franchise his discount model. They gave him a flat no.
- Lee Smith; On opening day of store #1 ‘officials’ from Ben Franklin in Chicago showed up. They marched in like a military delegatio, and in front of the store asked me, “Where is Mr. Walton?” They issued an ultimatum; Don’t build any more of these Walmart stores. Sam wasn’t the kind of guy you issue ultimatums to.
We all know how this story ended. Have you seen a Ben Franklin store lately?
It’s truely amazing how eerily similar this story is to that of Orrin Woodward’s.
You cannot stop an idea whose time has come.
The discount model mlm is on the horizon.
I think I’d rather own a walmart and run with a man of character and vision than sit in the mire of the status quo.
August 15th, 2007 at 11:35 am
To Mike, Pepe, Simon, and all of you other Amway supporters: You are probably all very decent, hard-working, honorable people who love your Amway businesses. That’s great for you and I wish you all the best. I also accept your claims that SA8 is the highest-quality and best-priced soap on the market, and that the make-up is right in there with the very best in all the up-scale make-up shops. I just don’t want to be a soap and make-up salesman, that’s all. I want to be an EVERYTHING salesman, so that this really is an “everything business”, just like Quixtar led me to believe. I want to be able to tell anybody I talk to, “Just look at our website and our catalogues and our partner stores, you can’t beat our prices on quality merchandise anywhere.” That makes sense to me. What Amway is trying to peddle to me does not. I will continue on with it, if I have to, but I won’t like it. I’m sorry that my feelings and those of my TEAM-mates on this matter upset you so much.
To Christa: You’ve really worked hard on trying to get the Amway-supporters to understand your position. I’m glad that you have decided not to continue trying, because it doesn’t seem like they want to understand you right now. You know that they will understand soon enough.
Go, TEAM, go!!!
August 15th, 2007 at 11:40 am
“We are disappointed that the founders of the Team training organization, Orrin Woodward and Chris Brady, and other IBOs affiliated with Team, have refused to move forward with the Quixtar business into this new and promising future.”
I WONDER WHO STARTED THE THINKING BEHIND MOVING FORWARD INTO “THIS NEW AND PROMISING FUTURE”. WHO WAS THE CATALYST? IS IT TEAM OR WAS IT QUIXTAR?
I AM MORE COMMITTED TO THOSE THAT ARE WILLING TO STAND AND MAKE A VALID POINTS THAN WITH THOSE THAT ARE WILLING TO SEVER THE RELATIONSHIPS WITH LONG TIME LEADERS IN THE INDUSTRY IN A MATTER OF HOURS. ALTICOR, ARE YOU THAT CHALLIS TO END 20-30 YEARS OF RELATIONSHIPS OVER THE COMMUNICATION OF PRICES?
IF THERE IS A GOD, THERE IS ALWAYS HOPE.
IT IS A SHAME THAT QUIXTAR IS NOT WILLING TO EVEN PRETEND TO LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE LIVING ROOMS OF AMERICA DAY IN AND DAY OUT.
I DON’T MIND STARTING ALL OVER IF IT IS OVER PRINCIPAL.
BUT I AM NOT GOING BACK TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS WILLING TO CUT MY RESOURCES IF I DISAGREE WITH JUST ONE OF IT’S PRACTICES. THAT’S CALLED A JOB, NOT AN OPPORTUNITY.
YES I SIGNED THE QUIXTAR CONTRACT.
YES I AM BINDED.
BUT DO I NOT HAVE A SMIPLE VOICE TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS ON HOW TO IMPROVE AN ALREADY GOOD BUSINESS.
ONE MILLION - BROTHER - ONE MILLION AT A TIME!
August 15th, 2007 at 11:45 am
I was pretty confused, being new to TEAM and all, in the very beginning. I was strictly reading TEAM news updates. Everything was very professionally written and did not put down Alticor/Amway/Quixtar. Facts were just given. I then read the Alticor Media Blog written by corporate communications and I was very disappointed. We are all adults here, correct?
Maybe you believers in Quixtar all the way should get ALL the information for yourself and not believe just what Quixtar tells you. I have attended both Quixtar and TEAM seminars and have more education and servant leadership training in the past 6 months than I have in the last 4 years with Quixtar. We at TEAM have one goal in mind - WE ARE GOING TO A MILLION! I have seen so many more results today than ever before and we have more help now than ever. I love the specifics of how to build leaders in this country. Now ask yourself which will make the most difference - products or leadership development? Thank you Quixtar for promoting TEAM even more to me and tipping the scales! FIRED UP!
August 15th, 2007 at 12:03 pm
Although what has happened is unfortunate-sometimes it’s good to rock the boat.Whatever happens I’m confidant will be for the best for the industry as a whole.How can that many IBOA reps be wrong for their stand?They respresent those of us out in the feild.They want a better deal for us, enough so that they are willing to jeapordize their businesses and income.Someone mentioned it-people are willing to do more for a CAUSE than money.As for Alticor/Quixtar/ Amway - the way you fought back is very unprofessional and will bite you in the back. Integrity you say Quixtar-what about the name change?(that is enough for a lawsuit coming from a majority of US IBOs)Very misleading to those IBOs who were told they were building an entirely new business.Maybe if both sides would start listening to each other you would learn something that would help all of us.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:25 pm
It appears Alticor/Amway has acted as any big company, with a “my way or the highway” view! It has no care for those who have made it strong, “just get another batch”! Why has “the corporation” gotten a court gag order, and then posted this attack trash? There are many of us that want to know what rule(s) were violated, but you don’t say! Team has been trashed by the company, but you hide what it is that they are doing wrong! Leadership, honor, respect and trust are something many big companies don’t appear to understand, Just money. This company has become, “just another big corporation”, your dad’s would be proud {not}! With this process you have shown that Alticor has no respect for the IBOA, they are just a company show. This matter has been handled badly by any standards, but I fear it’s just the beginning! The outsiders haven’t started yet!
In the last 2 months I have had 10 plans stopped dead when I got to “Quixtar”, and had the “Amway” name come up. In 1999 you knew “Amway” had a bad stigma, so you created “Quixtar” to change your image. Now you at the corporation have alleged that millions in advertisements will be used to repair the reputation of Amway, because you have dictated a change back! With Quixtar/Amway advertisements being used, also wsed to place prospects into contract with the company! You are not only stacking, but using TV and radio advertisements to put people into your contracted business! {Though paying off an IBO with some of the volume to have it appear proper} I guess that the “RULES” are just for us little people?
Your rush to sling mud has hit all of us! Please act fast to put damage control efforts in place, IF you still can! Time may be against us all in this matter!
August 15th, 2007 at 12:44 pm
You talk about a trash talking lawsuit against Quixtar, and respond by trash talking Orrin, a guy that Quixtar invited onto their board. Whats that say about you? Are we gonna act like children or adults here? If I were Quixtar, I would consider hiring a new corporate communications person. And yes, you will be sorry to see him go.
August 15th, 2007 at 12:57 pm
Just go, Team…???!!???
If that is the way you feel them why would you try to stop the Team people from going????
If you feel so certain that nobody can leave Quixtar and start a MLM that succeeds then why don’t you let Orrin take all of his “Team” and give it a try? If you know they will fail then why would you care?
I think that Quixtar/Amway/Alticor (whatever you call it)has been taken over by crazy people!! I live in Michigan where Dick DeVos just ran for Governor and for months all we heard were negative ads about Amway…you almost couldn’t give Amway products away here!!
August 15th, 2007 at 1:00 pm
Well said nonprofit, you made me think!
The truth is smarter legal minds than ours will sort this out. This propaganda is meaningless.
I couldn’t help but imagine what a great idea lower prices would be. The power of having that tool available when sponsoring new IBO’s is almost mind blowing. What a great concept, giving a little to get a lot. That’s great long term thinking. Falls right into the concept Sam Walton used to make his legacy. If IBO’s were in fact able to generate the required pv to get a check with reasonable out of pocket expense, would it not also ring true that they would purchase other goods and services from the website? Driving up volume and creating a win, win situation for all involved? Who could argue against lower prices? Not I! And if you did, you probably deceive yourself about a lot of other things as well.
As for the name change….I for one would love to have an ivory snow pure company name to use as a tool for building my business. The possibility of mentioning a company I’m associated with and getting a positive feedback excites me. I’m not getting that with Amway,Quixtar,Alticor, I’m afraid the damage has been done there. I’m very impressed by the company’s holiday toy drive,etc but I’m afraid it’s too little too late. The redeeming factor though could be association with low prices and ethical business practice. Quixtar has the means to build a legacy. I think we can all agree they have the potential to be one of the largest companies in the world. Is short term thinking holding that back? That’s the question I asked myself. Is today’s profits blinding them to a greater tomorrow? The truth be told the company has the power and the means to be a world wide icon, and bring our success in as fallout. Why settle for mediocre? These are the questions I find myself asking.
The Team issue….Judges will decide who is legally right and wrong. The only thing I can presume after answering the questions nonprofit inspired me to muse over is that the company has the ability to achieve more. The Team’s action is based on that. The Team’s leaders have everything to lose, the company…not so much. I choose to believe they are acting with others best interest at heart. You may not agree,but then weren’t your answers to those questions similar to mine?
Go build your business. That’s what makes you a winner. Let the courts sort this out and not the media.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:02 pm
I found a very interesting thing on YouTube, Check this one out Search for “Andy Andrews explains Quixtar” Andy is a Diamond in Amway/Quixtar sounds like Team is not the first to have issues with Amway/Quixtar or what ever the are going to call themselves this week.
August 15th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
Bottom line! The best investment is in your brain! Quixtar feels the best investment is in Quixtar! That’s called corporate mentality.
When you look at this whole mountain of a mole hill that Quixtar brought on themselves, ask yourself this one question: Who stands to lose the most out of this??? Quixtar does. Hundreds of thousands of shoppers who have “invested” their hard earned money into Quixtar are choosing to move on to a different chapter in their lives! It’s called freedom! Why wouldn’t someone want to better themselves as opposed to being a part of a business corporation who has no integrity and has no reward or regard for loyalty? If I shop at Wal-Mart on a regular basis and they one day treat me anything other than with respect and professionalism, they’ve lost my business and my loyalty. PERIOD!
I’ve been treated with nothing but the utmost respect and compassion by the TEAM. I would’ve figured it out by now if they weren’t worthy of my loyalty. I knew what Quixtar was all about when I got started with the TEAM. In my 2 years as a TEAM IBO affiliated with Quixtar, I’ve never heard one negative, de-edifying comment from any leader on this TEAM regarding Quixtar. We are taught by the great leadership of the TEAM to respect others, take responsibility for your own actions, and treat people the way you expect to be treated. It’s called character. Something I didn’t have before I became part of the TEAM. Something I now have and will have until I die. Imagine the difference we could make in this country if everyone took that approach in life??!!!! Actually, there’s a brave group of men and women out there who have taken that approach…..it’s called TEAM APPROACH!
Let the critics mock……. eat our dust!
God Bless everyone!
August 15th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
WOW thank you 508 I had not read your comments until after I posted (522) It seems that anyone who stands up to Amway by wanting to make things better and more fare for the newer person they just kick out (it’s easier to get rid of them than try to fix). I am sadened by all of this, I love the products and have been part of the business since 1996 but just took myself off of Auto Renewal. I don’t want the rug to be pulled out from under me, or wait changing the name to Amway without any imput from IBO’s I guess that already happened. Good luck with that…
August 15th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
I meant (560) sorry, really look it up on YouTub nothing new here.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:00 pm
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August 15th, 2007 at 2:07 pm
Is this true that Quixtar is changing it’s name back to Amway in the future?? Whose bright idea was this? “Amway” is a joke to the whole USA. Literally.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
Blogs supposed to be open forum. I know several people including me who’s blogs are still awaiting moderation. Some for longer than 24 hours. No bad words. No reason other than censorship. What’s the deal? What are you hiding?
August 15th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
Wow I have to say I’m terribly confused by this. I read through the entire law suit filed by Woodward et. al. I was amazed as I read page after page of allegations. Everything he was accusing Quixtar of (save the pricing issues) were tactics he’d used himself.
Quixtar, it’s not only Woodward and his cronies that are a disgrace. It’s EVERY diamond involved in a training organization. They ALL tell us not use the Quixtar Amway name. They ALL tell us that retail is not the way to make money. The only way to be successfull is to recruit.
Every quarterly meeting I have been to has streesed that the only way to suceed in the business is to bring people to meetings. In fact that’s how you get recognition at those meetings. The more people you bring the better you do…
If you want proof of this, listen to any one of those hudreds of CD’s I have that state this over and over. In fact I sat in one conference, where a member of the IBOAI told us that if he could figure out a way for us to get rid of the products and just sign people up for $300 a pop he’d do it….
Alticor, please resolve this issue. There are thousands of us out here who are trapped by motivational organizations… they are killing your business.
Bryan
August 15th, 2007 at 2:21 pm
I have met Orrin Woodward and Chris Brady multiple times and these are great men of integrity. The Team system has been amazing and has not only helped me build my Quixtar buisness but also helped me be a sucess in my workplace, family, church and all other areas of my life.
August 15th, 2007 at 2:49 pm
Direct to you striaght from Quickstar’s home page at the bottom SISTER COMPANY.
Alticor - Parent Company of Amway and Quixtar
Amway and Quixtar are both part of the Alticor family of companies. Amway Corporation was founded in 1959 and has grown to be a world leader in multilevel marketing business opportunities. In 1999, Quixtar was launched as an innovative, Internet, I-commerce business model. Since then, Quixtar has become a leading e-commerce venture, available only on North America. The Amway multilevel marketing business opportunity continues to be offered outside North America in countries around the world.
Both Amway and Quixtar bring many of the same leading global brands to the marketplace, such as ARTISTRY Skin Care and Colour Cosmetics, the eSpring Water Purifying System, and the SA8 Laundry System. NUTRILITE Vitamins by Amway & Quixtar are the world’s leading brand of vitamin, mineral, and dietary supplements, based on 2005 sales. Although Amway and Quixtar share some commonalities, THEY US DIFFERENT BUSINESS MODLES that have been developed to meet the needs of various markets around the world
Sounds like Globalizaton to me
IBO’s of America unite
The corprate leaders don’t care about u or me. When did they know they would change back to A?
From the start? 2 years ago? Yesterday? Will this name change help you in your persuits?
Unite America, Unite I say.
No need for a sit down strike
No need for a picket line.
I say our leaders showed us with their feet!
I for one will follow!!!!
August 15th, 2007 at 3:06 pm
Economics 101
Lower Taxes and Increase Revenue
Lower Prices and Increase Revenue
How hard is this?
August 15th, 2007 at 3:17 pm
Just a question? If Team is correct; will the corporation have violated the RICO act? If the corporation is corect; Did TEAM violate the RICO act? Both are alleging lawful misconduct within organizations. Automatic three times damages could be a major hurt to either party. just a couple of questions.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:27 pm
Amway / Quixtar (Alticor) business goal is to make a profit. That’s why businesses exist. They are not in business to take care of IBOs. IBOs are simply their marketing arm to sell products. The corporation can only make a profit when products are sold and consumed. The corporation really doesn’t care if IBO’s consume them or products get retailed, as long as the product is sold and consumed. To the corporation, IBOs are consumers, because they buy and consume the product. “In fact, a 2006 report prepared by Quixtar states that only 3.4% of its total volume comes from those who do not participate in Quixtar’s compensation plan.” (quote taken from Plaintiff Complaint; p13) So I guess we IBOs, are the consumers, maybe not the business owners we perceive ourselves to be!!
In business, there is always more at stake than what meets the eye. I can understand why Amway / Quixtar would want to stifle the way The Team is building depth, because it reduces the product profitability to the corporation by as much as 46% on a new Silver organization. The total Bonus compensation paid on a Silver organization is the same whether developed under the “6-4-2″ plan or the “Team depth” plan. However, the actual product profit is less in the “Team depth” plan because more IBOs within the organization are able to buy at a larger discount level because of the Bonus compensation plan. So the corporation would see that lower profitability as a loss to them (as much as 46% difference). This becomes sizeable when more and more IBOs are building and growing their businesses successfully. The corporation then, sees this as detrimental to their business profitability model. The corporation, after allowing The Team’s business model to exist for over 7 years, now would really like to get that profitability back, since the buy-in from other quality leaders who have been past Presidents of the IBOAI; and which have swelled the number of IBOs growing successful business utilizing this business model. Since pricing is such and issue (only 3.4% of sales volume outside of IBOs), being able to access a better discount on personal purchases have been a very positive element to those building their businesses, especially new IBOs. Since The Team has been the leading business growth leader for 7 years in a row — this all speaks volumes when you start connecting the dots.
From a business perspective, I understand Amway / Quixtar limited role in training and directing IBOs. There is a fine line as to what constitutes Independent Contractor status versus Employee status. Amway / Quixtar has been able to wield the tremendous marketing arm of IBOs without having to pay salaries, travel expenses, office expenses, insurance expenses, Social Security Tax and Withholding Tax. All the corporation has to do is pay bonueses based on product sales volume. The corporation has locked the IBO into an agreement that includes a non-compete clause. And the IBO pays an IBO renewal fee every year to help offset the corporation’s tracking expense. When you think about it, if there is at least 500,000 IBOs, that roughly translates into an income of $25,000,000. That pays for a lot of office help.
My understanding, which is definitely limited, of this situation regarding the litigation, is that there is no demand for money involved. It is basically asking for either lower pricing so that IBOs can be competitive or a time period that allows an IBO to make a choice of staying with Amway / Quixtar or leaving without fear of the non-compete clause being exercised against them by the corporation. Since the IBO is basically a consumer to Amway / Quixtar, how could the latter be an issue?? Because the average monthly purchase across the board for an IBO is under $50, I would think it would behoove the corporation to “cleanse” it’s ranks of IBOs not happy with their situation and keep a low public relations profile; and build the new “Transformation” they are excited about. By not doing this, the corporation is harming all IBO businesses, by trying to put a spin on what’s happening and not happening. Time will be the true judge!!
August 15th, 2007 at 3:36 pm
Ken: Still lengthy, but fair enough, you were kind enough to oblige. Thank you.
August 15th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
#535
Bryan, what is the reasoning behind your comments? If it is lack of information(which I can only assume it is, because I believe in your honestly good intentions)I would like to invite you to a TEAM major convention. There you can see recognition levels that are based on the progress in helping others win.
No win for them - no win for us.
August 15th, 2007 at 4:05 pm
Admin, I read my post in preview last night and I know it was no longer than many here. Maybe the content wasn’t pleasing?
August 15th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
In response to your initial post Quixtar.
“Not telling people they were signing up with Quixtar? Woodward would hide that fact from new Independent Business Owners as long as he could”
Hmm, wow, that is horrible.
The ONLY thing that I think could possibly be worse?
” Not telling people they were signing up for Amway?, Quixtar has had us hide that fact for as long as they could ”
( 7 years 11 months and 15 days to be exact )
Now ALL IBO’s reputation and integrity is in question by everyone they looked in the eyes and said ” No, this is not Amway, It’s Quixtar!”
Way to go Q! Good Call, Bravo!
August 15th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
The Grand Rapids Press and the Muskegon Chronicle both said that roughly 40% of the business of Quixtar’s 1.1 Billion in sales in the U.S. is from those under the Team, Legacy, et al leadership. That could mean that organizations of the people who resigned or were terminated amount to $400 million per year. If that’s true, it understandable that Amway/Quixtar wouldn’t let go of that without a fight.
Newspapers don’t always have all of the facts right… so who knows if the numbers are accurate?
Regarding the criticism on tools. My understanding is that the TEAM has a profit sharing for performance plan; that the tools business is a not-for-profit business shared with all qualified IBOs including platinum and maybe even below platinum. Is that true?
Does Alticor share their tool money? At the prices we pay for them, it doesn’t seem like they are selling them at cost.
August 15th, 2007 at 4:36 pm
Where can I find the info. in print on the Quixtar or IBOAI site that talks about the name change back to Amway, and why am I just now hearing about it??? Anyone?
August 15th, 2007 at 4:39 pm
Freedom Fighter, Martha: Please see above.
August 15th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
Let me get this straight….The Amway name gets such a bad reputation that the corporation creates an internet business and changes their name to Quixtar. This gets such a bad reputation (anyone see a Dateline video)the corporation decides to go back to the original bad reputation of Amway. Then a few long time leaders question the corporation and they TERMINATE the leaders. So is Quixtars new motto hear no evil, see no evil, there is no evil… This a really bungled public relation corporate response.
August 15th, 2007 at 4:59 pm
#572
Ken, great thoughts about the profitability issue for Quixtar. It makes you really think. PV doesn’t equal PV when it comes to the payout
to IBOs.
The current Quixtar SA 4400 states the following:
“The average monthly gross income for active IBOs was $115. Approximately 66% of all Ibos of record were found to be active”.
Question:
How does that compare to IBOs on TEAM and TEAM affiliated organizations. The average monthly
PV per IBO on TEAM is quite higher (according to my information)than in other organizations.
You see more rewards for more people reaching higher % brackets and there goes the profitability for QUIXTAR.It’s all about the money.
The difference is that with TEAM you are willing to step back in profitabilaty to help others gain. The payback is a community that will last. Everybody wins.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:02 pm
After being involved over 29 years, I am ashamed to be identified with Alticor. I feel like a fool. This is “not your fathers Amway”. I was there for the vicious tape from RDV where he lambasted the field leadership. I was also there for his famous speach “I made a mistake,”"I am sorry” “Please forgive me”. It’s time to act like professionals and stop thinking about your 30%. You should be as ashamed as I am.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
Rico….if you think the tools business is a not-for profit business..then explain your leaders lifestyles!
August 15th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
#577
Rico, please read my comments in #442 and #535 in regards to #493.
Yes, you are informed right. The tool income goes to those who perform. Starting @ the qualified Platinum level. No rewards go towards Platinums or higer pins that are not in the living rooms. If you are at the pulse of the business and build you get rewarded. Thats just fair. Help others first.
The same fairness will be possible when it comes to sharing profits from retail sales for products and services.
If there is a will there is a way. TEAM is the way.
August 15th, 2007 at 5:22 pm
The 40% figure was given to the Chronical by TEAM’s legal council. I think that has to be pretty true if it is a stated fact in that manner. As far as the tool money is concerned, it has nothing to do with Q* pin levels. Many people, (my brother in law for example) qualify for profit sharing before platinum, and others (my upline platinum) do not qualify for tool profit sharing. It is based on the amount of people on your team that are participating in the system, and has to be a correct structure.
August 15th, 2007 at 6:39 pm
just read this.
http://www.team_orrin_woodward.typepad.com/
August 15th, 2007 at 6:48 pm
All I can say is, this reminds me of a well known conflict which occured over 200 years ago …
Quixtar/Amway/Alticor = Mother England
Team = Revolutionaries
Hmmm
August 15th, 2007 at 6:49 pm
Interesting that I’ve been in the business for 11 years now. Never heard of all the Quixtar sponsored blogs until last week. Even funnier, I had no clue of the name change, that Quixtar is so proud of re